Master

I had a grin when you mentioned an incident from the Sixties when a rugby league player was seen sans with a bow tie. Goodness, even prime Ministers have been caught without trousers or in a strip club.

As for the plebs touching their forelocks while the upper class rugby players who show them as what is below them how to act in company you cannot go past the recent Austrian national rugby team's celebration strip and rugby song in the town of Vilnius after their 0-48 drubbing by Lithuania:

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/5/Striptease-of-Austrian-Rugby-Team-498642.html

I am certain you must be speaking of some other rugby than the one played with the leather ball, because rugby players are notorious for their bawdy celebrations and that certainly includes university rugby where nothing with a heartbeat is safe after a match. Who could forget the chugalug drinking matches, the bawdy(?!!) songs and the tradition of pressed hams and brown eyes on the return home?

You either overcooked your reply or your memory of rugby has dimmed considerably with the passing decades. Did you ever play rugby?

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CJMorgan:"until the OP retracts his silly and completely unsubstantiated claim about the Rugby League culture producing "most, if not all" the corporate high flyers on the boards of Australian companies, I shall continue to draw attention to the numerous examples of NRL misbehaviour that appear every week in the media."

So your objection is not to the behaviour, but stems from your obsession with "winning" a straw-man point of your own devising. Thanks for pointing that out.

BTW, my words were: "I suspect that if we were to check the backgrounds of all the boards of Australian companies we'd find that most, if not all, the high flyers played football at a high level."

I stand by that. The qualities fostered by football - any kind of football - are well-suited to corporate commercial life. No doubt similar benefits apply to all team sports, but football is the prime exemplar because of the physicality involved, which often means overcoming genuine fear and pain to keep functioning. Few other activities within popular reach provide any opportunity to learn how to do that.

Cornflower, your point about football being an elevating influence in our socially-disadvantaged areas seems to have struck a chord. I agree completely. Part of the reason that it works in such a way is that it has never abandoned kids who misbehave a bit. They know that the coach will have them on his shitlist for a while and they'll have to do a few more laps at training, but if they do knuckle down they're given another chance.

The punishments at NRL Premier Grade level are much more severe than for a member of the public and are in addition to any police or court sanction. Those blokes are well-paid, after all.

A-septic

<<BTW, my words were: "I suspect that if we were to check the backgrounds of all the boards of Australian companies we'd find that most, if not all, the high flyers played football at a high level."

I stand by that. The qualities fostered by football - any kind of football - are well-suited to corporate commercial life. No doubt similar benefits apply to all team sports, but football is the prime exemplar because of the physicality involved, which often means overcoming genuine fear and pain to keep functioning. Few other activities within popular reach provide any opportunity to learn how to do that.>>

You may well believe that your words are credible on their own, however without the weight of evidence they do not stand. Just your opinion - nothing more. Do you still "stand-by" your remarks regarding a feminist conspiracy to dominate the NRL?

Psychiatrists have observed that the "qualities" of psychopaths make them well-suited to corporate life:

http://www.riskmanagementmagazine.com.au/articles/de/0c0306de.asp

The above link being just one example among many discussing the psychopathic "attributes" of a corporate high-flyer. There is more evidence to support this claim than your tenuous one of football producing captains of industry.

@ Master
I think the game you favour and follow has a lot to do with childhood indoctrination. I follow Aussie Rules and adore the game, had I been born in a another state to Victoria I may well have followed the round-ball game. However claiming the superiority of one game over another is rather pointless although it can be entertaining - notice how the standard of discussion has risen without A-septic's snarling insults.

Go Saints!

Questions:

Why is Rugby called football here? The rest of the world does call Soccer Football doesn’t it?

What is required for our government to not have male laws ruling both genders?

Are the majority of aboriginals keen to assimilate?

What do aboriginals call woman’s business opposed to men’s business?

Is it okay for your place of work (NRL) to dictate your behavior afterhours?

Is the media the same all over the world? Is it just about making money?

Are women getting meaner as a reaction to feminism or have low soc. burb women always been like this?

News Flash!

I've just discovered where Antiwomen's NRL conspiracy theory came from. The poor bugger hasn't an original thought in his mind.

On another site antiseptic reproduced an article about Aussie rules football. He did it just several weeks before he devised his NRL/Channel 9 conspiracy theory.

Antiwomen wrote that the article was "SPOT ON IN 'EVERY RESPECT'".

Here's some of the things the article says:
"Football superstars become prey for beautiful young women. There is a need for men to satirise women. For some years Australian Rules football has been in the hands of feminist social engineers. Football is men's business. It is quite possibly sacred men's business and attempts to feminise it are nasty and envious attempts at weird retribution. Ben Cousins was "shunned", a particularly feminine form of punishment. Women have bullied their way into sacred men's sites. Much of the newspaper journalism and media commentary has been taken over by women.The development of the rules of the game honed it into a contest that rewarded skill and cunning as only those versed in the art of war can appreciate. Feminists seek to diminish and destroy enclaves of men wherever they exist. Feminism hates the game, it seeks to control the behaviour of men in the football community, by law, as an example to all men. During the show Sam Newman fondled a mannequin that was dressed in lingerie, with a photo of a female football journalist pinned to his head; it was designed to humiliate the Age's Caroline Wilson. It was harmless. During the last 30 years maleness has been discriminated against. Males have had to accept significant discrimination against them. Women have come to expect inequality of opportunity ("male" inequality) as their right and inheritance. They have come to expect it out of retribution. There is no better example to show young men than a fallen football star battling addictions to drugs and alcohol. Australian rules is needed to initiate boys into manhood. The AFL should be developing the game for the benefit of men".

Remember, Antiwomen thinks it's "spot on" in "EVERY RESPECT".

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Nice backpedal from Antiwomen. He's gone from "...if we were to check the backgrounds of all the boards of Australian companies we'd find that most, if not all, the high flyers played football [ i.e. NRL in the context of his first silly claim] at a high level" to any kind of football at any level.

Given that just about every Australian boy plays some kind of football at some point in their lives, and that Australian company boards and senior management are primarily male, then it's not exactly a profound claim in its revised form, is it? I'd suggest that it has more to do with the "high flyers'" gender than football - you know, correlation not implying causation and all that.

It's interesting, however, that he still can't name any corporate high flyers who were former high level football players. It also begs the question as to why it is that a fine, upstanding, former footballer like Antiwomen isn't a corporate high flyer.

Cornflower: << You have had to scrabble to provide two cases >>

What twaddle. They're just the latest cases that have appeared prominently in the news in just the last week. You're in denial about the appalling culture of professional Rugby League, aren't you?

I take it you weren't a supporter of the "bring back the biff" campaign. Why not?