Antiseptic

Your little Gotcha! 'expose' about me in your 5:01:20 PM post simply highlights what we all know about the main problem of anti-feminist obsession - it cannot distinguish between advocacy and dogmatism.

'[Advocacy groups] automatically stick up for their members, regardless of the rights and wrongs of a situation.'

You cut and pasted this comment from me from another forum. It refers to advocacy, which is about giving people a voice, and about looking after their rights, regardless of the rights or wrongs of a SITUATION.

My denial of Maximillion's comment that 'Feminism has only one rule: Women are right, no matter what they say or do' is rebutting his view that feminism is about WOMEN always having to be right.

There is no contradiction here. But I'm sure you'll make one up. You're such a resourceful man.

Maximillion

You sound like you’ve been reading Erin Pizzey.

I’ve been a feminist for abour 25-30 years – virtually since childhood – and I have never encountered anything even remotely resembling the violent feminist militancy tales so loved by the anti-feminist backlash industry. However, if you are providing this as an excuse or justification for the thuggish attitudes of Mens Support groups, then I find that a chilling prophecy of what they may have in store for women’s advocacy groups in the future.

Also, feminist advocacy is not a mirror image of mens advocacy – or vice versa. Feminism arose out of centuries of women being the gender underdog (notice I didn't say 'victim'). It is a rights-based movement.

Men’s rights advocacy – in its current anti-feminist incarnation – arises out of centuries of men’s power and privilege (which anti-feminists of course deny), that is perceived to be under threat from feminism (partly true). Men’s advocacy pretends to be a rights-based movement but it has much more in common with a supremacist movement.

As for your daughter, you have to measure her attitude to feminism against the era in which I assume she grew up. Contrary to your claim that feminist rhetoric dominates the culture – this has not been the case during the backlash of the 1990s and early 2000s, where anti-feminism has been by far the most favoured position of the popular media (especially the Murdoch press).

However, with Murdoch almost ready for the nursing home, with Bush and Howard gone, and with more feminism-friendly leaders in Canberra and Washington – feminism is making a slow comeback. I particularly notice this among teenage and 20-something girls, who seem very savvy about the imbalanced role and portrayal of women in the cultural domain – probably because they grew up in the information age.

I have every reason to be hopeful.

Pynchme

I went looking for ‘Pancho’ of the ‘brilliant analysis’, but I couldn’t find him/her. Are you sure it was this forum or have I missed something? And BTW – I always love reading your posts.

To antiseptic.

I see you've had a hard day at the USMC (United Socialist Men's Collective), judging by your fractured 'non' reply to my questions. Thanks for supporting my contention that you have scant credibility here.

Your "opinion" is that David Gallop, Tracy Grimshaw, Miranda Devine and the management of Channel Nine have all colluded to produce a concocted sex scandal in a conspiracy to get women into "unassailable positions of power".

You have yet to produce one tiny bit of "actual" evidence: Lots of "opinion" only.

Because you have displayed can't prove your false allegations, which are based on your "opinion", you can now return to the brotherhood at the USMC and plan your next move

All this goes to show that this earlier contribution by another poster - - - - -

"I hate my ex wife for leaving me. Why did she leave? Because feminism gave her the right to. I now hate feminists.

Feminists are women, so I now hate women.

I will get back at my wife by attacking women who are feminists - and therefore my wife by proxy - by claiming in an internet forum that a scandal was fabricated to force women into that proud bastion of masculinity, Rugby.

Now everyone will hate my wife, and no one will think that I have allowed my anger to consume me at the expense of all other thought"


- - - - - - - - sums up the matter quite nicely indeed.

SJF, you are a classic example of the old Jesuit saying, “Give me the child, I’ll give you the man”, to paraphrase.
You have been indoctrinated into the feminist view of the world from an early age, and are thus incapable of taking an objective standpoint, or even seeing things in any other light. That is your loss, yet you should make an effort to try and “walk a mile in their shoes” before you decry men and their problems, you have no idea at all, and are hardly able to offer an opinion on them and their related issues, IMO.
Your interpretations of men’s groups and their history and motives are as far from the truth as it’s possible to get. All the advances feminists made were with the assist of many many men too, just as there are many women involved in and supporting men’s groups.
Injustice does that, doesn’t it.
As for the young women of today, I’ll listen to my daughter and her friends for an objective, reasonable assessment, not a staunch, dyed-in-the-wool feminist, lol.
Hasn’t it ever occurred to you that a lot of the young ones you “listen to” are probably just agreeing with you to get away, that they tend to avoid dispute over things that seem silly to them? I’ve watched it happen often enough, lol, because, yes, there are some feminists among my family and friends too, though they seem less one-eyed than you.
Start that feminist caper and the young ladies’ eyes glaze over, the heads starts to nod, and whoosh, they’re gone!
When it comes to “-ists” I’ve always felt that those who ARE committed, …SHOULD BE!

Antiwomen's still carrying on like a Turnbull with a fake email - lots of conjecture but absolutely no evidence with which to back it up.

In addition to Master's unanswered questions, I'd like to see some substantiation of this one from the original silly post:

<< I suspect that if we were to check the backgrounds of all the boards of Australian companies we'd find that most, if not all, the high flyers played football at a high level. >>

Care to name some, Antiwomen?

Maximillion, I'm a bloke who doesn't feel in the slightest bit threatened by feminism, and I've been married and divorced a couple of times. I also have a daughter in her 30s who would probably call herself a feminist, and who is a mother and corporate lawyer. She recently married a very nice young man who doesn't seem hung up about independent, assertive women.

In fact, I don't know many men who are. Then again, I don't hang out with whining losers.

SJF - it was a typo, it's Sancho that Pynchme was talking about.