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There is no left

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Beefyboy “We measure success and failure in terms of dollars, “

You might

I don’t.

“In modern Western society we all aspire ….”

Again you might but even if you do, it has stuff all to do with “protestant work ethics”.

“Do we see people sharing…”

I see lots of service clubs (rotary, lions, apex RSL etc etc) and individuals spending their time and resources as they see fit… and invariably in a far more beneficial way than governments.

“Do we see people opening there homes ….”

A neighbor of mine was home invaded, he had no choice in opening his home… the bastards terrified him and his wife and kids… drug fuelled strangers are not the victim, they are the problem.

“Do we have a modern day leader casting the money lenders from the temple.”
If you want that start by voting liberal, not socialist

“The answer is NO so where is the left it does not exist.”

If you think a bunch of pinko-nancies are going to give you heaven on earth, think again. Lenin and Stalin were proven liars….

Lenin even said “If you say a lie often enough it becomes the truth”

And the French period of “The Terror” was instigated by Robespierre and his “Committee of Public Safety”, as authorized under “Liberty, Equality and Fraternity” (or whatever)

Such is the cynicism of the “left”.

“At least the right wing liberals are honest enough to admit their ambition is the creation of wealth for individuals not for a better society.”

Actually that is common sense, the right understand, all wealth is created by individuals for individuals… the society does not exist…

I walk along the street everyday and everyday I pass individual after individual… yet

I have never once met a “society” or “the common good” or any other mincing epithet for the shiftless and idle bludgers who support the notions of the left.

Maybe it is me, maybe I am doing something wrong…

If I donned rose tinted glasses and carried a red flag, would these myths and specters instantly appear
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 12:13:17 PM
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MIKK

You write

'The right only knows fear, bigotry and condescension. The right also worships money as a god. The right is overwhelmingly comprised of the wealthy and the wannabe wealthy, the fanatical, the racist, the powerful and the nasty. A sicker more evil, psychotic bunch than you could find anywhere and I want them defeated. For all our sakes.'

Sure sounds like you are very self righteous and judgmental to me. You could of fooled me that you don't have an adamic nature. No doubt the circles you move in are all perfect, peace loving, honest, caring citizens. Please give me a break!
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 4:45:31 PM
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Col, there has never, to my knowledge, been a truly Socialist Gov', Russia, China et. al. are/were dictatorships, Oligarchies to be precise.
“Do we have a modern day leader casting the money lenders from the temple.”
If you want that start by voting liberal, not socialist"
WHAT? The libs ARE the money-lenders, and the Banks are their temples.
And YES, you are doing something wrong, you're believing the Right propaganda. The reality lays somewhere in the middle.
Let's face it, without the social reforms of the Left over the years, we'd still be working and living in 18th century conditions.
Yes, they have a lot of Idealists, and tend to find their policies down in the garden with the wee people, but without them we'd never have achieved the society we now have, with all it's imperfections it's still better than the alternative.
You need to remove the gold-coloured glasses if you want to look through the rose ones.
Posted by Maximillion, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 4:57:05 PM
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It is a bit unrealistic to argue that those who do not aspire to the Right of politics are advocating Communism or facist regimes like Nth Korea.

The goal is to temper the negatives of capitalism or the 'greed factor' with a good dose of social democracy.

Extremes on both sides of the pendulum are equally undesirable.

Leigh there is something in what you say about manners and discipline lacking in schools but that is hardly a leftist philosophy, merely a symptom of our times. Discipline and manners are the responsibility primarily of parents but it would be nice I agree to have that support within the school system, although I would not like to see a return to corporal punishment. It is difficult for teachers to instil manners/respect/discipline if there is no strong foundation at home in the first place.
Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 6:46:59 PM
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There is no left just various right wing ideals measured in money.
Even the unions do not advocate change they simply want a bigger slice of the pie.
It is only by collective action that society progresses, the Nash hypothesis demonstrates this.
My original point that the left does not exist still stands.
There is nothing wrong with hard work but financial success does not mean goodness (which is the basis of the protestant work ethic).
As I tell my students wealth does not mean happiness, if anything wealth just creates burdens of responsibility to the least advantaged in society.
Being a sociologist of course I believe society exists unlike Thatcherist who can not see that the SUM IS GREATER THAN THE PARTS. I call it the family of (hu)man.
Perhaps we need to chase the money lenders from within ourselves before we start on the banks.
Posted by beefyboy, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 9:38:07 PM
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Every revolutionary left-wing government has been the result of the overthrow of an oppressive right-wing regime.

There would be no left wing extremism without right-wing extremism and vice-versa.

Revolutions don't just spring up spontaneously for no reason and seldom succeed without external financial or political sponsorship from the West.

Wall Street helped fund the Bolshevik revolution and indirectly helped Mao's victory by intentionally delaying the shipment of arms to the former government.

Likewise, the US helped the Vietnamese overthrow the French, helped put Saddam Hussein, the Shah, Pinochet, Marcos and Noriega into power just to mention a few (right-wing) dictators.

Castro was an exception and being beyond their influence, they fitted him up by forcing him into an alliance with the Russians and that automatically made him their enemy. North Korea and Venezuela are other examples.

No conspiracies, just simple historical facts.

Also Fascism is an extreme right philosophy, as was practised by Mussolini (who also coined the term "corporatism"). North Korea is many bad things but fascist is not one of them.
Posted by rache, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 9:47:17 PM
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