beefyboy
I agree with you" Scandinavian social democracy" is the best system we can find on our planet today.
Strong Democracy, strong wellfair system, strong social standards, strong Union movement, strong support to undeveloped world, from the best on environment protection, top on women and migrants rights, OLAF PALME, the prime minister of Sweden and a leader in the Socialist International was famous for his humanitarian support to Bietnamese people and for his fight against the American attacks in Vietnam.
beefyboy are you member in the ALP? I agree with you about SWEDEN, is any wing (group) in the ALP with similar ideas?
In real I have deep darkness from ALP, I do not know how it works, I do not know anything about the wigs etc. I prefer the party withouht wings, because many times the wings fight for their own interests instead of people's interests, or some times they try to cover one from them because he is in their wing instead to sent him home.
generaly I do not understand why in a democratic party there are wings.
If there is a group which promote a Sweden system and weakened wings even beter!
beefyboy give me some advices, not to go to the wrong place or group!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

runner
I dont want to run from capitalism I want to destroy it.
I never said anything in support of the soviet union, communist china or cuba or any other so called "socialist" regimes. The countries you mentioned are authoritarian dictatorships no matter what they call themselves and they suck as much if not more than capitalist countries. I hate capitalism because it uses people, exploits them and rewards greed and ruthlessness.

The greed and lust in peoples hearts does come from the system they grow up in. Where else could it come from? Oh wait I forgot runner is a devout godbotherer and probably believes in original sin. Well you might be an evil sinner from birth runner but isnt it just a bit over the top (not to mention offensive and insulting) to say that we are all, every one of us, inherently evil. I know im not.

The media, advertising, education and consumer industries are by far the biggest influences on people today and they shamelessly promote "greed and lust". So is it no wonder people display the basest of emotions and desires when that is all they know. The rise of such things and the loss of old knowledge and ways is the cause of todays breakdown of society.

The right only knows fear, bigotry and condescension. The right also worships money as a god. The right is overwhelmingly comprised of the wealthy and the wannabe wealthy, the fanatical, the racist, the powerful and the nasty. A sicker more evil, psychotic bunch than you could find anywhere and I want them defeated. For all our sakes.

Just a thought on the education side of this debate.
I agree that lower grade education has definatly become very leftist. A bigger bunch of leftys you could not find than teachers. Well maybe the few wharfies that remain might be further left than teachers but that would be about it. Im sure primary and secondary teachers do indocrinate their charges and endeavor to teach them leftist ideals.

But it doesnt work does it. It cant compete with the influence of the media and advertising and business. No matter how hard anyone tries to influence the younger generations it is just swamped by the seductive lies of the capitalists. Once they leave the cosseted world of school and go out into the real world it all changes.

Higher education like tafe and uni is more captured by business and the right. As can be seen by the emphasis on "vocational" and "skills" training. Courses mainly designed to turn you into a "good", submissive, obedient worker who wouldnt dare think for themselves even if they could. Research is only undertaken with a view to how much money it will make/save rather than how much good it will do society. If it cant turn a profit it never sees the light of day.

The left has primary and secondary education while the right has tertiary.

It's been said that Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth and Socialism is the equal distribution of poverty.

A bit simplistic perhaps but it's becoming more and more obvious that the "wealth" of capitalism has been based on a credit-fuelled illusion and that it's now looking to be bailed out by "socialising" it's massive debts by passing them onto the public sector.

It's also interesting to see the result of the European elections where politics has lurched even further to the right and neo-fascist groups are again rising in popularity.

I would have expected a more left-leaning result under the current circumstances, where economic victims band closer together for mutual survival but something has changed.

A charismatic leader and a Police State can't be too far away.

Anyone who denies the destruction of the education system by the Left is either part of the destruction or is not part of anything - i.e they have their heads buried fimly in the sand.

The corruption of the education system is evidenced daily in the incompetence of young professionals and the feral behaviour of school children, and can also be seen in the unemployment numbers, in political apathy and the inability for more people to survive without help from Big Brother.

The utter rubbish talked about 'captitalism' comes from those too young to remember the effects of the alternatives.

Let's also not forget that it was agents of JD Rockefeller that helped devise the US Education system.

This is the man who wanted "a nation of workers, not a nation of thinkers" and not much has changed since then.

Far from being a left-wing conspiracy to dumb-down the population, it's actually the right-wing that wants the masses to remain silent obedient consumers and keeps them doped up with TV and gadgets.