You can't get away with that, Arjay.

>>Perricles for the vast majority of Australians their living standards are lower than 40 yrs ago.Only the top 20% are better off.<<

Exaggeration is fine.

Misunderstanding is OK too, really.

But fibbing, when you know perfectly well that what you write is a nonsense, is just childish.

One Under God, gday, may I give you a tip?
How about dropping the insults to other posters?
The gabby thing is from other posters book of insults.
The old and wise let he who is without sin throw the first stone.
Or people who live in glass houses is worth thought
History will speak far better this man than the last leader.
And true research true understanding, of why the fed reserve exists in this form, while a very long way from ideas in arjay and your posts
Would be worthwhile to you both.

ya thanks for the tip jelly...[gabby and i go way back..[as do you and i..[i still feel the unions sold out the workers[via the colusions of labour state govts..as well as federally under howhard and co...

but the big point is your both big boys..as grayham has told me suck it up..[AND REBUT THAT INFO POSTED]..if you can[play the ball not the man]..i am doing both...

mainly because you both should know better the real truth of the matter..[and not be defending the indefensable]..and because you both aq#re not presenting valid proofs..of the delusions your continuing to propagate...

[but why?]...your the claimed union man mr glass house..[at least gabby is an admited capitalist..[he at least defends what he really believes in]..he really believe what he posts..[you cant even povide evidence of falling wages..and at least arjay and i put up links..[you dont rebut with other links

as well i am not knocking obama,..he is a us president..insulting him insults the poor yanks who elected him..the poor need some hope[not that the union man could comprehend this

so saying..back to topic..percules read graph 7.8 and 7.9
http://taxreview.treasury.gov.au/content/Paper.aspx?doc=html/publications/papers/report/section_7-03.htm

revealing the continued lowering of the income of the poor[that the jelly belly..as a union man didnt see fit to make a point by...mainly because the union has guilt by disassosiation...there is plenty more evidence at the search...all revealing pretty much as arjay has said

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=wage+rates+1970%2F2008&hl=en-GB&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB

percules you been fooling..[or taken in by howhards spin of the medium wage..[of course the massive increases of wage of the few elites hide the reveal the plain facts of the low income downward squeeze

[made clearly especially on the 7.8 graph..[first link]..from memory..[noting the sharp upward spike..from 75 to 78...that then lies horisontal..as the union sells us out by laying down for the bosses[when the voters got conned..into believing its not..time..after all]and the unions called it quits

KMB,

Now Obama is sucking up to King Abdullah, one of the world's worst living despots who maintains that all Saudis must be Muslims.

Obama hasn't learned much from his disgusting associates if he believes that Westerners can ever be friends with Muslim countries without their conversion to Islam. That's what Islam is all about - converting the infidels or kaffirs. Military alliances are possible; but there is no way true friendship and cooperation is possible with countries whose religion sets the rules.

In another few centuries, perhaps; but not in Obama's time. In the meantime, Islam is not to be trusted, no matter what its adherents say.

Arjay,

I think most unbiased Australians would refute your claim that Australians in general are worse off than they were "40 years ago". In the last 8 years for instance, before the recession, Australians were better off financially than they have ever been. That is not a plug for the last government; it's a statement of fact.

We are now in a recession - one of a number of expected cyclic slumps which are part and parcel of our system. Anybody familiar with the system puts a little aside during the booms to reduced the effects of the slumps.

The current Keynsian bungling will hold us in the recession for longer than necessary but, even if it takes a change of government, things will be up and booming again in time. The one way to the next boom involves thrift and cuts in spending. The current government obviously doesn't hold to that theory, so the next few years are going to be a bit rough for those who blame others for their woes, and continually ignore the rules of the only system which has been proved workable and best for most of the people most of the time.

Don't worry about the "top 20%". They will always be better of, so there's not much point in wasting emotional strenth by envying them. If it weren't for them, the rest of us would not be enjoying the standard of living we do now - even in the tough times.

Dear Leigh,

You don't necessarily have to like your neighbour,
but you should respect their identity and attempt
to live in peaceful co-existence.

It's the fundamentalist mentality - no matter
what religion or culture that will continuously
disrupt the potential good that can exist in the
world.

What the US President is trying to do is to build
upon the foundations of predecessors for a
peaceful existence - because aggressive military solutions
have never worked.

It takes time and will power to set the course - to
achieve results. At least the US President is making
the right effort, and criticizing him is only impeding
the process.

These postings are read by people around the globe,
and it doesn't achieve positive outcomes with
negative comments.