Dear Foxy.

You wrote: "This should create no problems, if the person's loyalty to Australia is absolute and overrides everything else."

I believe loyalty to any entity should be provisional and must be abandoned when that loyalty mandates that we violate our conscience.

“You wrote: "This should create no problems, if the person's loyalty to Australia is absolute and overrides everything else."”

“I believe loyalty to any entity should be provisional and must be abandoned when that loyalty mandates that we violate our conscience.”

Hey David, I think Foxy is right. If you move to a land your loyalty must transfer with it.

I don’t know if that also implies shutting up and putting up though. More a decision to prioritize… if there is a war I stay on Australia’s side with Australians.

Doesn’t mean I wont complain about the white school kids that fight with the Muslim school kids locally, regularly.

Dear Jewely.

I think those Germans who were not loyal to their country during WW2 and tried to assassinate Hitler who was the legitimate leader of their country were better than those who were loyal to their country.

I disagree with both Foxy and you.

I believe it is more important to be a decent human being than to be a loyal human being. The two may conflict.

“I believe it is more important to be a decent human being than to be a loyal human being. The two may conflict.”

I didn’t know some Germans tried to kill him… but they would have been trying to out of loyalty to their country not loyalty to one man?

Maybe being loyal is a part of being a decent human. Loyalty to family, religion, race, country etc… I think Foxy was putting them in an order of preference or in an order that makes sense to a country/people as a whole?

Dear David f,

I should have possibly explained my previous post
in the context in which it was meant to be taken.

And that was - how much integration or assimilation
should be expected from migrants who settle in
Australia?

This new focus on migrants has been prompted by the
alarming spread of international terrorism since 2001.
There have been many incidents in which suicide bombers
of extremist Muslim persuasion were alleged to have
committed the crimes. Most of the suspects were
seemingly law-abiding immigrants or their offspring.

In Australia, the numbers of Muslim immigrants settling in
this country are growing fast. Australians are wondering:
Is it possible to maintain one's ethnic and cultural 'roots'
and identity, while also subscribing totally to the
underpinning values of Australia as a liberal democracy?

It was in answer to this question that the study to which
I referred to in my previous post was directed.

I hope this clarifies things for you. This wasn't a question
of "my country right or wrong."

Muslims, just like Christians and Jews already have a choice of private or public schools.

To argue for exclusively Muslim state schools is just what we don't need. All this does is increase segregation, ghettos and along with that animosity towards others who are different. Wouldn't it be better that we all integrate within public schools that may have a number of options for language study and most importantly, are free from religious division.

Religion like culture is a personal matter and can be learnt and appreciated at home,through one's Church and through community activity.

Many children are bullied for different reasons. In my experience kids tend to be bullied more for being fat, disabled, being a nerd, wearing different clothes etc. Better the issues of bullying are handled within a mixed school which will enhance a better understanding and appreciation for our differences.