Robert,

if they do things which are inconveniant to the way BD wants the christian faith to be seen whereas all muslims are muslim regardless of how they act.
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Good point, obviously that's suitable for his arguments, and since he doesn't really seem to be a "thinker" it's obvious he's not going to probe further and consider whether some Muslims may have acted contrary to their faith's teachings.

However this next point was not on the same par:

but muslims will be held acountable for the most extreme interpretation of the Quran BD can imagine regardless of how muslims choose to interpret those sections.
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Contrary to what we read in the mass media about the so called numerous and widely varying "interpretations of the Qur'an" there is actually very little difference of opinion amongst the vast majority of the Muslims (ie. the Sunni Muslims). As the Shi'a are only about 10% of all Muslims we can pretty much leave their view out as negligable, but the remaining 90% of Muslims largely rely on the exact same "interpretations" or what we would call Tafasir (explanations) of the Qur'an and Hadith material.

And not one of those explanations claims it's permissable to desecrate other religions books with lewd acts. So Mr Boaz will just have to accept that this action has nothing to do with Islam, and was probably an imitation of the Great Christian Soldiers of America (no matter how unpractising they are).

Mr Boaz is obviously a dedicated Christian who's "accepted Christ into his heart", and since we know that the Christian Doctrine is not a very intellectual one (not belittling its spiritual value for its adherents), we can see why Mr Boaz holds the views he does. After all, this is the religion of Inquisitions and Crusades and book burning and all those other loving and peaceful acts that Europeans suffered for a good millenium or so. But wait, I bet those guys weren't real Christians either and hadn't accepted Christ into their hearts properly. I wonder where the "true Christians" were during 95% of Christianity's history?

Well well :) I see this has turned INTO an iquisition against poor old dim witted unthinking Bozo .....

Never mind that it was about the Bikini march.. we can go in anydirection you blokes enjoy :)

Bikini march cancelled, but it has already had world wide impact.
Goal achieved.

Threats to kill scared off the organizers. But.. the spirit of the march will go with me at next years "ONE" demo.

1/ I aint that stuuupid as to give my home details.
2/ If any smart alec thinks a few threats would ever stop me, he is wildly mistaken, in fact if anyone does wish to take issue with my point of view, they can either debate me or make an appointment to have a whack at me in a gym.

Back to business.
Abu.. I'm a bit constrained for time right now, so its difficult to address issues raised by you and Robs mutual admiration club there :)
but be sure of one thing, no..its 2 things.
1/ I am totally happy to engage on ANY Old testament issue and Robert should know this. He simply chooses to disagree with me. (and scripture) Seeing as you and Rob 'discussed' me together I can now inform you of where Rob is coming from. He is a 'former' christian who lost faith in the 'angry' God of the Old testament. That pretty much sums him up..right Rob ?
2/ ISLAM... I am also happy to deconstruct Islam in terms of its sunnah and theology based on the Quran, and hadith, and I should warn you that I don't pull punches. You may well be offended by what I say, but I will limit the adjectives as much as possible to the text.

Re Quantamano..you have 'proof' ? :) if yes..so ?
Re the boys... not a big issue to me, plenty of others to pick.
First one. WOULD you kill a fellow muslim who is invading this country and swear so on the Quran ? (I'm pushing for this to be a condition of migration.)

ABU... I've got a bit more time now.

Let me addresss a question to you if I may.

"How many times was Saffiya bint Huyayy married, to whom, and what is your source" ? (I only want the absolute earliest please)

From there we can discuss a few things.

Please see my new discussion (if it is approved) and you can spread the word :)

The Great Australian Bikini March CANCELLED, but...Lazarus with a triple bypass" ?

This event (now dead) has received world wide attention, and I see no reason for it to just rot in the social ground....

BD, actually it was more about the absolute failure of the "head" of the church to govern his church. Until I realised that there was nothing to respect in the headship I plastered over the other stuff with the some of the same denial as other christains.

R0bert

Thanx Rob..... yes.. I do recall that was an issue there also...

hey.. where has Abu gone.... did I scare him off ?

Tomorrow, am heading to Gippsland for aunties 80th b'day..the last remaining Aunty on mums side.. was 3 girls and 3 boys in the family, I'll be so sad when she finally surcumbs to the battle of life. Only she and one uncle still with us.

Hope all is well with you and that you are working through your own family situation.

cheers cobber.