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Who is responsible for committing fraud in remote indigenous communities?

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The heading is not logical, specific or molecular enough to warrant a detailed answer as any number of people could be ripping off the community including those within a communitiy and I would suspect that this is not specific to Black communities alone but predominantly there are 2 groups in the main ...

1) Government Agents
2) Private Enterprise
3) A mix of 1 & 2 (This is true in large Mining or energy interests)

As to your 4 questions, please correct me if wrong but any knowledge or evidence of such a thing should be reported to the Police? or is this not the procedure? or are the Police not to be trusted, are there any Police in.... which community do you refer?

However questions 3 and 4 would prove to be interesting subject matter to discuss in any event if you were discussing the distribution of Commonwealth funds through a competant CEO trusted with common wealth distribution of those funds.

May I say that in question 1 you may want to research the previous Liberal Governments' NTN (Networking The Nation) program and the reporting that was provided to get an idea as to how the process works and the outcomes where funding is provided from Commonwealth Coffers into State coffers subject to application and proven need.

Further and lastly, in my opinion, by and large the CDEP operations that mustered into their employ more than approx. 330,000 Aboriginal workers nationally and the destruction of the CDEP (Community Development Enterprise Program)by Amanda Vanstone under Howard's watch...not a good move, as this would have made the perfect auditor.
Posted by One Nation, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 8:05:55 PM
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One under God - Well I watched your videos and read your post so thanks for supplying those. I can see the generral theme of conspiracy theory running throughout these things. Your comments regarding government agents was quite bemusing. Your are correct cash is the new DNA (barring laundered or off shore accounts)

Antiseptic - no comment !!

CJ Morgan - well your wrong on all counts. It's not a fishing expedition, I am not axe-grinding and hearsay is not admissable so next....

One under God (2nd post) - Not sure I can change anything. I do like your idea of training the locals and spreading the risk from one big store to many little ones. However, the inhabitants have no real desire (generally) to be trained in retail outlets. Not sure how a hairdresser would go in these places !! I acknowledge your comment about giving everyone a role to play but there is a huge difference selling whitegoods to making spears! I do like the idea of respecting culture and traditions though so will be researching that concept further. Thanks for your comments.

Peter the Believer - more conspiracy theories this time involving magistrates !! I will check out those pieces of legislation though. Thanks

One Nation - You related to Pauline H. then ?? Your right in so much that a crook is a crook doesn't matter what community he/she lives in. As far as reporting crime to Police, you will find that most of this type of crime is simply not reported so Police dont know it exists. There are a number of publications that deal with this issue. I cant tell you the specific community I refer to, just that its in Northern Aust. I am familiar with CDEP and the issues of fraud related to that program but once again, the people only here of the iceberg tip not the stuff under the water surface!! Thanks also for you useful comments. cheers.
Posted by banlew, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 10:14:15 PM
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i was watching the 730..report/tonight..i heard the..'solution'..re that camp with 3000 aborigonals..[getting 150 million?,..adminestrated by the northern/territory..[along simular lines to social security]...so will use this/..as the case in point

first off it was began by howhard..[and labour has fallen into the trap]..it was to be his next children-overboard re-election stunt,..but behind it is the same old colonising teqnique

first-off..the negotiations are being done with the council..[that in the usual sceme of things is a boys club..skin/thing..[but worse is the adminestration by nt..lol govt..[then worse again..under the rules..like community housing]

see this community subsidised housing works on one quater the.'houses'...combined-income..[meaning that those people living 20 per house]..having a combined dole income of say 6000..will effectivly be paying 1500 for a dump..[a dog couldnt live in]..

its bad enough holding hostage/half their dole..[but no doudt this rent/scam will add up to a tidy sum and be easy to transphere to the nt govt]..but it highlights the big-bucks people been raking in looking after the blacks

you might have noted..what marc revealed about the aborigonal councils[how the land-title gets washed clean by the lawyers..[then on sold to the banks..thats the same scam..that this camp will have done to it]

you got 150 million[for god sake]for 3000..[how much it cost to get decent water and services..[working toilets/showers..[built by the natives,..under that sceme john howhard got rid of,..there was a lot of good work being done by that program..[the main trouble was a few bad cocconuts]

arnt you seeing what the tiwis been doing..[growing their own food[freshfood]..see..colonisers love creating food dependance..[so the natives work for food]..its basic stuff...

mate were talking here about sovereign people..[on their own land]..that have been poisend/and murderd as deliberated govt policy

mate you know that..22 out of every 100 men..will reach 65 years of age..!..[how many will reach 67..?]..and with woman its 33/100..its a shame

but mate the big payoff is..we figure out how to catch them up to speed,..then the concept can go world wide..[the cure must include them keeping intact their language and culture..[we just faciltate them serving each other]...

what would jesus do?
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 12:25:09 AM
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i will just describe as how i see it..[spend 1 million on building a mans shelter..[ditto on a womans shelter..[each shelter is divided into their skin groups]

the shelters are more like hotels..[with a central courtyard eating dining area]..communal dining[on tick/credit]..and are dry

there are created two wet areas..[each side of the police station]..and these have services like toilet/shower centrally located behind the cop shot..with solar hot water..[the utilities entrances face the cop shop]

the community has its own currency unit..[legal tender at any of the communities shops/clubs hotel etc..[yes there is a hotel..[in front of the copshop.;.[selling single drinks,in cans..[no glass..and up to half a dozen takeaway for workers

it sounds a bit controling..[but not as controling as the current paternalistic controls that judges all adults as children..with blanket prohibition..prohibitions simply speaking dont work..[that only increases the cost of booze..[attracting scum that will do anything to get cash]

the wet area /cop/shop/hotel are away from the living areas..[and live music is encouraged..up till 9 pm..[kids are payed to play..kids also get paid to go to school..in the local currency..that equates to enough to buy a decent healthy meal

the school also holds the other govt services..[and housing for police/nurses]..ok maybe i spent twenty million now..[all work is done by locals..[in mud brick, bessa block/stone..[or other local materials]

the local currency will be a great thing for tourists to buy..[or investors to invest in..[but no outsider may hold more than 1000 units of it...[every community holds its own local currency,..iussued via the service industries and the local agency..[at hostels/hotels shop's

there is a fenced community garden..chickens..pigs..sheep..goats
[garden uses grey water]

houses are restored and for families only,..they are fenced into clan type villages..and share communal bbq's/playequipment,shelters[singles stay at the hotel/hostel,..as do tourists/visitors

anyhow just trying to reveal a bit of vision
[in lue of more division
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 1:21:28 AM
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Fairly random topic for an assignment.

"Who is responsible for committing fraud in remote indigenous communities?"

I'm sure the Feds would like to know too.

You'd find they have fraudulent activity right from your common criminal fraud you'd find in all communities - eg defrauding banks, insurance companies etc - through to centrelink to indigenous specific assistance from the government and charities.

Who is doing it?.....maybe check out the courts.
Posted by StG, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 11:34:39 AM
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Who is responsible for committing fraud in remote indigenous communities?
Basically, everyone that can.
The Indigenous Organisations, the NGO's, the local managers, everyone.
If you lay out money with few controls or supervision, the sharks will gather, and the people involved will be corrupted, it matters not which community, society, group or whatever, greed is human, and the innocent can be conned, it's almost inevitable.
Posted by Maximillion, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 3:06:53 PM
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