I am required to write an article regarding this Title. I have some areas I really wish to canvas with those who are interested in responding. However I wish to say this.. If you intend responding to my discussion, I would really appreciate it if you can state your expertise and exposure to acts of Fraud occurring in Indigenous Communities. If your points are valid, I will formally acknowledge your credentials in my article. I have until the end of September 2009 to write it.

1. Who is responsible for administering Commonwealth Funds paid to Indigenous Communities?

2. What roles do Chief Executive Officers have in managing funds?

3. Why does fraud occur in these communities?

4. How can we (tax payers) prevent fraud in indigenous communities?

Criminals ?

Help if you provide links so people can read some more so as to convince them you are legitimate, with email addresses to contact you.

1. Who is responsible for administering Commonwealth Funds paid to Indigenous Communities?

Organizations receiving funds are required to sign agreements committing them to abide by the funding authorities terms and conditions.

Various departments monitor their own departmental grants, they are monitored by the Auditor-General for Commonwealth, state or territory.

All people and organizations are required to abide by usual legal terms and conditions, right through their chain of command.

Comment:
IMHO contributing largely to our problems was creation of class or corporations labeled "Aboriginal", this complicated things far more than just using existing corporate structures like partnerships, shareholders, associations, often providing excuses to ignore the legal requirements.

Politicians and government departments protecting their ministers are guilty of promoting this environment, so many our current problems the result of their protecting themselves, preventing or severely limiting accountability AND full and open public discussion of these problems.

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Isn't it good that you can ask people to write your homework for you?

The right way is to do some work yourself, share it with us with links so we can see where its going and where it came from, and we will share knowledge with you if we have it.

So what can you share with us so far?

banlew, what is he basis for the claim that fraud has been committed? by whom and is this exlusively financial fraud?

There are a number of programs administered by various departments including Departments of Families, Community Services, Housing and Indigenous Affairs; Employment and Workplace Relations; Attorney-General's Department; Centrelink; Health and Ageing.

This depends on whether it relates to employment, legal, health or community services. There will be more information on each department's websites - just look for grants funding or programs related to Indigenous Affairs.

Most departments have an administrative oversight or investigative wing for auditing and governance purposes in the areas of grants funding.

banlew: << I am required to write an article regarding this Title... I have until the end of September 2009 to write it. >>

I think that this is a bit suss. If I was privy to any such potentially incriminating information, before providing it I'd like to know who banlew is, why s/he is "required" to write an article of this nature, who it is for, and why the deadline isn't until September.

Strange way to conduct serious research, if you ask me.

Thanks for responding to my question and for the overall helpful and constructive discussion / points. I deliberately didn't give too much away from the onset as I am generally seeking feedback / comments and not wanting to get to the end state too quickly without exploring some of the more open / general issues first.

Polpak - Yes people sign an agreement which has general terms and conditions but it is just that - an agreement and as such not binding like a contract. Thanks for you 'humble opinion', I would like to know what you mean by saying Aboriginal has complicated things - How and what things are you referring to?

ChrisPer - It is not homework but a submission I have to put to Minister Macklin (Indig Affairs) for Parliamentary purpose later this year (September) And, rest assured I am doing my own share of research - just throwing it out there to those who wish to respond.
At the present, I have nothing to share for this purpose but maybe later on down the research / opinion track, that may change.

Spindoc - I can not elaborate on the Parliamentary Privilege at this time but lets just say it is regarding an Indigenous Corporation in Northern Australia losing alot of Government Funds. Yes it is exclusively Fraud.

Pelican - You are right on the money in your comments. However, my topic centres on those responsible within the communities who have financial delegation to administer those funds that my research topic is leaning towards.

CJ Morgan - No one asked you.

i note that professors give their students their work to do[so in a way your assignment gives me hope]...in other ways i see the same old ignorances,about the root cause,i think you need broaden your research

see that the topic is a current issue, that the next generation is emeging as we speak,but they do so with sure knowing that of the past didnt work,so you cxomprehend more here is some recent thinking on what happend in the past

marc’s vidios are posted here
they wernt at info/links site..[but they are some great info]
http://www.pacificguardian.info/

mark also has some vidio’s on youtube
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YCy2uYi1xZc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UCibSWOArVI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pTrhUwHaghA
also lessons in law
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0fW6ny7_vGc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BAIUjs9zqJE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p2uVLghW6TI

in short govt sends its agents in[the agents pick sellouts;..called by the opthers coconuts, and the coconuts feather their own family nest...usinmg the clan rules[knowing the clan is obligated to look after its own clan first..whats mine is yours[what yours is mine

govt agents are distracted into ever writing reports[for the sole reason of seeing who knows what..[the minute one gets a handle on their topic[they get moved on,and a new guy is asked to prepare a report, thats all the new guy is allowed to do

[inteligence gathering, the incompatant reporting on the same as the last incompetent did..because basiclly no real cure is sought..as to why the vidios will make that clear...lol..thats why your being asked to write this one...lol..thats the whole game...follow the cash

Banlew:"CJ Morgan - No one asked you."

No one ever does...

So it's a fishing expedition conducted by some anonymous axe-grinder, looking to get some hearsay dirt on a particular person, presumably Aboriginal? Thanks for clearing that up, banlew.

Antiseptic - are you still beating your (ex) wife?

ok i note your reply,..i missed it before posting mine,you want to change things then train the locals to serve each other..[set in train local decision making..on what to spend this weeks budget on

give the locals a real say..[give them a local fast track,..but by catching up..on how we developed]..make this benifit for nothing mentality go-away

to get benifit you need to give some service..[this is done easilly by having people vote,..or attend school,or draw/build/create something or record something,..like voting should be done fortnightly[on issues the comunity needs,if you want the benifit then vote

see that one shop run by a for/proffit church does nothing..for the community..divide the one big/shop into little shops..[give the rghts to seel fresh vegetable to one person..[frozen to another]..clothing to yet another...make small buisness..so each has their role in society

one may be the hairdressor,..the other the vidio shop.. the other smal engine repair[or welding]..in short give everyone a role to play,..develop a micro busness comunity..that allows each a role/title

see in primative society..each had their speciality..[we had hunters, we had gatherors,..we had spear makers,..we had basket weavers,..your tribe name was based on your trible skill

just as in small towns we have a dentist,docter,nurse,whitegood's store,green grocer,blacksmith,barmaid,..they had hunter etc,..these local comutities need to get local franchises

[training to help them become shopkeepers/service providers..[stop importing people..to serve them..train them to serve each other..[just like they did in days gone by,give them a hand up,not a hand out

by activly voting..on how a budget is expended..in their own community..they develop pride in the community they helped shape..[by voting on who goes to the hair dressor training course,or what goes into the new shop

they take back some pride,..give the people some power that difuses the power..that makes them obey outside rule..[by..lol..the same elites]...teach them the various life skills..but let their communal/vote decide who gets what...

a fortnightly budget/..they decide where it goes..decided democraticlly by those most affected..[and most dis-empoered by the current system

we didnt have chiefs here..[we had specialists]..top down is your way..not ours

The same people who commit fraud in white communities commit fraud in indigenous communities. These fraudsters are the Magistrates and Judges, who defraud the Commonwealth every time they act arbitrarily. These same fraudsters refuse to accept the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights was legitimately enacted by the Australian Labor Party Government in 1986, as schedule 2 to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Act 1986 .

These fraudsters refuse to accept that s 12 and 13 Acts Interpretation Act 1901 ( Cth) make a Schedule part of an Act, and the Schedule to the Criminal Code Act 1995 ( Cth) is the Criminal Code. The Covenant is cited in about three major offences, in the Criminal Code Act 1995 ( Cth) and if you have Jenny Macklin’s ear, you should ask her why the Rudd Government still tolerates the reign of terror instigated by Menzies in 1953, and the continued government of Australia by a select and exclusive sect of believers in the Law, as a religion.

Since the 20th October 2001, the Criminal Code has been law, and Paul Keating’s government made slavery an offence, carrying a penalty of 25 years imprisonment in S 268:10 of the Criminal Code. When Kevin Rudd wants to balance his budget, all he has to do to end fraud, is repeal s 39 Federal Court of Australia Act 1976 and Order 46 Rule 7A Federal Court Rules, and see how the money rolls in.

These fraudsters all offend S 268:10, the 25 years jail converts to a fine of $165,000 each for every Federal Court or State Judge in Australia, by reference to the conversion formula in the Crimes Act 1914 ( Cth). The public purse will be enormously enriched.

Rudd will be able to keep his promise to remove the homeless, and beggars from the streets of Sydney and Melbourne, and other major cities, and would not have had to say sorry to Aboriginal Australians, if it were not for the fraudmaster, in the Gunner and Cubillo case, in the Federal Court. We all deserve a sorry.

The heading is not logical, specific or molecular enough to warrant a detailed answer as any number of people could be ripping off the community including those within a communitiy and I would suspect that this is not specific to Black communities alone but predominantly there are 2 groups in the main ...

1) Government Agents
2) Private Enterprise
3) A mix of 1 & 2 (This is true in large Mining or energy interests)

As to your 4 questions, please correct me if wrong but any knowledge or evidence of such a thing should be reported to the Police? or is this not the procedure? or are the Police not to be trusted, are there any Police in.... which community do you refer?

However questions 3 and 4 would prove to be interesting subject matter to discuss in any event if you were discussing the distribution of Commonwealth funds through a competant CEO trusted with common wealth distribution of those funds.

May I say that in question 1 you may want to research the previous Liberal Governments' NTN (Networking The Nation) program and the reporting that was provided to get an idea as to how the process works and the outcomes where funding is provided from Commonwealth Coffers into State coffers subject to application and proven need.

Further and lastly, in my opinion, by and large the CDEP operations that mustered into their employ more than approx. 330,000 Aboriginal workers nationally and the destruction of the CDEP (Community Development Enterprise Program)by Amanda Vanstone under Howard's watch...not a good move, as this would have made the perfect auditor.

One under God - Well I watched your videos and read your post so thanks for supplying those. I can see the generral theme of conspiracy theory running throughout these things. Your comments regarding government agents was quite bemusing. Your are correct cash is the new DNA (barring laundered or off shore accounts)

Antiseptic - no comment !!

CJ Morgan - well your wrong on all counts. It's not a fishing expedition, I am not axe-grinding and hearsay is not admissable so next....

One under God (2nd post) - Not sure I can change anything. I do like your idea of training the locals and spreading the risk from one big store to many little ones. However, the inhabitants have no real desire (generally) to be trained in retail outlets. Not sure how a hairdresser would go in these places !! I acknowledge your comment about giving everyone a role to play but there is a huge difference selling whitegoods to making spears! I do like the idea of respecting culture and traditions though so will be researching that concept further. Thanks for your comments.

Peter the Believer - more conspiracy theories this time involving magistrates !! I will check out those pieces of legislation though. Thanks

One Nation - You related to Pauline H. then ?? Your right in so much that a crook is a crook doesn't matter what community he/she lives in. As far as reporting crime to Police, you will find that most of this type of crime is simply not reported so Police dont know it exists. There are a number of publications that deal with this issue. I cant tell you the specific community I refer to, just that its in Northern Aust. I am familiar with CDEP and the issues of fraud related to that program but once again, the people only here of the iceberg tip not the stuff under the water surface!! Thanks also for you useful comments. cheers.

i was watching the 730..report/tonight..i heard the..'solution'..re that camp with 3000 aborigonals..[getting 150 million?,..adminestrated by the northern/territory..[along simular lines to social security]...so will use this/..as the case in point

first off it was began by howhard..[and labour has fallen into the trap]..it was to be his next children-overboard re-election stunt,..but behind it is the same old colonising teqnique

first-off..the negotiations are being done with the council..[that in the usual sceme of things is a boys club..skin/thing..[but worse is the adminestration by nt..lol govt..[then worse again..under the rules..like community housing]

see this community subsidised housing works on one quater the.'houses'...combined-income..[meaning that those people living 20 per house]..having a combined dole income of say 6000..will effectivly be paying 1500 for a dump..[a dog couldnt live in]..

its bad enough holding hostage/half their dole..[but no doudt this rent/scam will add up to a tidy sum and be easy to transphere to the nt govt]..but it highlights the big-bucks people been raking in looking after the blacks

you might have noted..what marc revealed about the aborigonal councils[how the land-title gets washed clean by the lawyers..[then on sold to the banks..thats the same scam..that this camp will have done to it]

you got 150 million[for god sake]for 3000..[how much it cost to get decent water and services..[working toilets/showers..[built by the natives,..under that sceme john howhard got rid of,..there was a lot of good work being done by that program..[the main trouble was a few bad cocconuts]

arnt you seeing what the tiwis been doing..[growing their own food[freshfood]..see..colonisers love creating food dependance..[so the natives work for food]..its basic stuff...

mate were talking here about sovereign people..[on their own land]..that have been poisend/and murderd as deliberated govt policy

mate you know that..22 out of every 100 men..will reach 65 years of age..!..[how many will reach 67..?]..and with woman its 33/100..its a shame

but mate the big payoff is..we figure out how to catch them up to speed,..then the concept can go world wide..[the cure must include them keeping intact their language and culture..[we just faciltate them serving each other]...

what would jesus do?

i will just describe as how i see it..[spend 1 million on building a mans shelter..[ditto on a womans shelter..[each shelter is divided into their skin groups]

the shelters are more like hotels..[with a central courtyard eating dining area]..communal dining[on tick/credit]..and are dry

there are created two wet areas..[each side of the police station]..and these have services like toilet/shower centrally located behind the cop shot..with solar hot water..[the utilities entrances face the cop shop]

the community has its own currency unit..[legal tender at any of the communities shops/clubs hotel etc..[yes there is a hotel..[in front of the copshop.;.[selling single drinks,in cans..[no glass..and up to half a dozen takeaway for workers

it sounds a bit controling..[but not as controling as the current paternalistic controls that judges all adults as children..with blanket prohibition..prohibitions simply speaking dont work..[that only increases the cost of booze..[attracting scum that will do anything to get cash]

the wet area /cop/shop/hotel are away from the living areas..[and live music is encouraged..up till 9 pm..[kids are payed to play..kids also get paid to go to school..in the local currency..that equates to enough to buy a decent healthy meal

the school also holds the other govt services..[and housing for police/nurses]..ok maybe i spent twenty million now..[all work is done by locals..[in mud brick, bessa block/stone..[or other local materials]

the local currency will be a great thing for tourists to buy..[or investors to invest in..[but no outsider may hold more than 1000 units of it...[every community holds its own local currency,..iussued via the service industries and the local agency..[at hostels/hotels shop's

there is a fenced community garden..chickens..pigs..sheep..goats
[garden uses grey water]

houses are restored and for families only,..they are fenced into clan type villages..and share communal bbq's/playequipment,shelters[singles stay at the hotel/hostel,..as do tourists/visitors

anyhow just trying to reveal a bit of vision
[in lue of more division

Fairly random topic for an assignment.

"Who is responsible for committing fraud in remote indigenous communities?"

I'm sure the Feds would like to know too.

You'd find they have fraudulent activity right from your common criminal fraud you'd find in all communities - eg defrauding banks, insurance companies etc - through to centrelink to indigenous specific assistance from the government and charities.

Who is doing it?.....maybe check out the courts.

Who is responsible for committing fraud in remote indigenous communities?
Basically, everyone that can.
The Indigenous Organisations, the NGO's, the local managers, everyone.
If you lay out money with few controls or supervision, the sharks will gather, and the people involved will be corrupted, it matters not which community, society, group or whatever, greed is human, and the innocent can be conned, it's almost inevitable.

i/agree..with much the auther says
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=8976

[the cedp should thus clearly be recalled]..as clearly howhard mearly wanted the funds...though he dosnt mention atsic,..a form of self govt should be initiated,...but not the same lines as atsic autocracy..

but by proper representative,..govenance that brings all the services under one dept..[with the division of mens business and womans buisness..used to divide/areas of service]...law is mens-business..health is womans-business[or as they decide]

funds are allways a sensitive issue,..thus purchase/expenditure would best be done via treasury/adminestrating an overall indigenous budget..i note that there is a vast ammount of un-used aborigonal funds held in treasury/because atsic and others were incapable of filing the correct paperwork to acces the funding

special police/special legal'services..[or special hospital's etc..need be overseen by the mens/wonams council's..[..rather..the council's be allowed simplified acces..for feedback and special need required..via/by specialised middle-persons]..not controlers

the 20 big camp's is an issue..that is only going to compound aborigonal/disinfranchisement from their land/culture..[and clearly must be understood to be a land-grab,..thus..also has its supporters..hoping to grab it

as i said previously..this was a set up by howhard../to explode in rudds face..[just like this melt down was seen to be comming..thus howhards tax refund..rudd had to follow..[it must be seen that the advisers cannot fully be trusted..[as revealed by the army embarrisments]

..justice means we should accord to ceaser..that which is of ceaser..[thus the proper sovregnity]..can only be resolved..by having de-facto an aborigonal governer/general type oversight/validation..[figurehead means of inyter-change,..egsactly along the lines of our defacto hrh of briton's..'powers'..appeal/accounting

..to speak plainly..for its time we faced..truely what we are..[we are a defacto union of sovereign states,..subverted via many constitution's..,that is acually/legally..an act of a foreign power..[as is clearly revealed by the govGENERAL..to her royal highness acting via states/constitutions and federated govt]..

but we are not alone in this..[this extends throught the whole common wealth..thus solving this..clear historic wrong..into a sure rightness..here/now..will result in a more just commonwealth..[caring for our enjoined common-weal,

surely a higher/goal..for kevin..[if turnbull..;into votes]..,is correct about..re..kevins after pm plans..[to run the un]..[how much better to begin to form the..SOVEREIGN..united-nations..S.U.N..right here..right now