Non farmer look at it like this.
There are always duds behind a wheel or on a two wheeled coffin.
Likewise there are good police persons and well, less so. But to draw a line in the sand and say all police are like the ones who admit being lessor is more than a little unfair.

Bikes are used in crime because they can get away quicker...the pictures I referred to are of unidentifiable riders being that they didn't have license plates at the rear.
Not may cars can go where bikes can or as quickly.

Also understand that motorbike accident victims (riders)tend to be disproportionately represented in the "bones ward" requiring more treatment for longer and use up disproportionate amount of resources.

Like I said it's not their demise I worry about it's those they take with them. Two weeks ago a biker on a highway killed himself by traveling too fast took a corner wide on the wrong side of the road and collided with a car killing 3 people and in the car behind one, injuring 2 more. Those people didn't deserve to die etc.

Insurance actuary tables clearly show that accident are higher % wise than cars as are fatalities. In my mind when you buy any vehicle you pays your money and take your according chances.

My only bike regret is I've never had sex on one and now it's too bloody uncomfortable. :-)

God's sake!
This has all gone somewhat F.U.B.A.R.
Anyone know what that means?
I’m sure the VN Vet’s MC does!

I intended to draw a corollary; some sort of modern parable about the disenfranchised, the increasingly marginalized, in our society; the net effect of wowsers wrecking our Common Law and subsuming that under pretense of statutory law.

Behind me, on Radio National they blether about a movie, ‘Alvin Purple’, made when I was a young adult.
A bunch of old goats drooling out their lubricious memories while the well paid dames involved claim they never wanted to flash their juicy bits n’ tits on screen.

I’ve asked for a third party review of what I’d written in the rest of this W.O.F.T.A.M..
That auditor confirms that I’ve tried my best to bring the thread back on line in some creditable fashion.

I’ll repeat; it was about pointing out how bikers, the marginalized, the minority peer groups might easily become marginalized in our society.

It’s not as if most aren’t already.
But from here on in – that ‘Examinator’ can fantasize all he likes about playing with whatever ‘Fractelle’s permitted zones of engagement she may wish to deploy.
It most certainly is a learning curve – this dealing with the rub.

Dear Non Farmer,

When I was a teenager I had a crush on an
older guy who owned a motorcycle. It was
the love of his love - and he looked so
cool riding it. Then one day, he gave me
a ride on it - and I suddenly understood
why he loved the bike. Riding along on a
country road with the wind in your face,
as the bike ate up the highway - was pure
exhilaration.

A few months later this lovely man was involved in the
most dreadful accident that left him brain-damaged.

To this day, I still love motorcycles, but now
I'm scared of them.

I don't know much about "bikie gangs." But I
do remember seeing at least some of them doing
quite a bit for children's charities on the news,
sometime ago. I guess not everyone should be
tarred with the same brush. You have to take
people as you find them. There's bad apples in
every organisation.

cont'd

I forgot to add - I've got a tattoo
on my ankle - which was a birthday
present from my son, a few years back.

I remember when my son took me to have
it done - there were bikies waiting
there for ones they were getting done.
We all got to chatting and comparing
notes - and I felt silly at first - because
my tattoo was so tame in comparison to some
of theirs. But they encouraged me - and
treated me to a drink at the pub next door
after I'd had mine done.

Great guys!

non farmer,
Your question as written was answered in the first couple of posts.
The question doesn't have any depth. Have you seen the movie "Stone" or perhaps "the wild one" or the one with Peter Fonda and Jack the lad.
They all eulogize that bikers are out side the norm of society.
By definition they are already by choice marginalized.
Naturally the bulk population seen those outside two standard deviations of the mean as 'outsiders' and as such they are potential targets for discrimination.
So what is your point? that the media is as usual leading the lynch mob?

Everyone has the right to break the boundaries but like the man says 'there is no such thing as a free lunch" there is a cost for being outside the societal straight jacket.

My joke with Fractelle was a small side step but the bulk of my posts make the above point that bike riding is a personal decision to be different.
What did you expect? the question/ your opening statement was nebulous, emotionally assumptive and biased accordingly.

Non Farmer

Chill.

Now.

Some people are marginalised by circumstances beyond their control (illness, accident, etc) and some choose to live on the fringe (certain types of biker gangs, hippy communes etc).

Most motorcyclists are not the "Coffin Cheater" variety but people who love the responsive feel of a machine that answers to your slightest move - sigh. And most are law-abiding (even the scary looking ones as Foxy would attest).

If you are feeling marginalised by reasons beyond your control, then why did you not make that the basis of your opening post? I agree that many people are marginalised by media and the prejudice of others, all we can do is speak out for those who may be unable to speak out for themselves.

And why are you so angry at me? I call it like I see it, somehow this gets people really angry. I may stir a little but I am never offensive or malicious.

Examinator - sex on a bike? Only if it is stationary, otherwise - suicide man.