Dear KMB,

I forgot to add the following for your information:

1) The first Muslim Nobel Scientist was - Abdus Salam.
2) 2003 Nobel Peace Prize winner was Iranian - Shirin Ebadi.
3) Egyptian President Anwar Sadat shared the Nobel Peace Prize
with Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin (1978).
4) The Nobel Literature Prize went to Egyptian writer -
Naguib Mahfouz(1988).
5) In 1994 - Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat shared the
Peace Prize with Israel's Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and
Foreign Minister Shimon Peres.
6) in 1999 - Egyptian scientist Ahmed Zewail won the Nobel
Chemistry Prize.
7) Mohamad ElBaradei, the Egyptian Director General of the
International Atomic Energy Authority (IAEA) received the
Peace Prize.
8) In 2006 Muhammad Yunus from Bangladesh received the Peace
Prize.

As Mostaz Attallah says in the Comments section of this
website:

http://blog.oup.com/2009/01/islam-nobel-prize/

"It is unfair to judge the contribution of Islam and
Muslims to humanity by considering only 110 years of the
history of mankind. During this period the majority of the
Muslim nations were first under occupation by the Western
countries, and only became independent starting in the 1940s...

A BBC program a week ago on Science in Islam...showed that
many of the great scientific discoveries were actually made by
Muslim scientists...

In all cases, Nobel prize is not an excellent criterion to
judge the contribution of a certain race/religion/nationality
to mankind. Otherwise, you could erroneously deny almost
any contribution for China or India, based on the number of
Nobel prizes they received to their population."

Well done Foxy,

And you have the good grace to acknowledge when you have been in error in the past. Let us see if KMB exhibits the same quality unless he thinks Peres, Rabin and Begin weren't Jews.

csteele,
Thank you for pointing out my error.
I'm always pleased to learn where I'm wrong although I deliberately used the phrase "there appear to be no Jewish Peace prize winners" because the source I used excluded them.
My fault, not the source's fault as it was after all the Israel Science and Technology webpage.
The upshot then is that Jews are disproportionately greater recipients (over Muslims) of the Nobel Peace prize also, by a factor of about 70 (correct me if I'm wrong). Who'd have thought?

Foxy,
If "it is unfair to judge the contribution of Islam and
Muslims to humanity by considering only 110 years of the
history of mankind"
then you must agree that we should consider the whole 14 centuries of Islamic contributions.
This would require us to seriously increase the body count from that documented at:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
to an estimated 270 million non-Muslim people killed by Islamic jihad, documented at:
http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/
(This site will give you a good grounding in the Koran, if you're interested)
If you add internecine warfare the numbers would be considerably higher.
So Islam may have made a very large contribution but perhaps not in the way that you suggest.
Hundloe's "fundamentalist fringe of Islam" must have been very inventive, at least when it came to warfare.

Definitely not an Islamophobic troll.

Who'd have thought?

This is one of those areas where I disagree with GrahamY and palimpsest - and one or two others, no doubt.

Dear KMB,

It seems to me that no matter what facts
are presented to you, you are really not
interested in them. All you seem to want
to do is present Islam in a negative light.

I don't see the point in continuing
with this exercise in futility with what
appears to me now to be a disfunctional discussion.
I'm beginning to become suspicious about
your motives in presenting this thread.

I'm going to bow out of this discussion, only
because I feel that there's enough hatred in
the world - and I don't really care to continue
to encourage you to keep on about the
negativity of Islam - it's a bit one-sided when
all you are capable of doing is going on only
about the "bad," things that Islam has done.
There's no balance in your arguments.

To quote from the website that I gave you earlier:

"The West has grown to view the Orient from afar
through a thick prism which distorts the transmitted
image..."

As for Tor Hundloe, he does point out that just as we
have very serious concerns about the 'fundamentalist
fringes of Islam', we should also be equally concerned
about the fundamentalist fringes of Christianity and
Hinduism. After all it was the West - rather than the
Muslim lands - that set the scene for the so called
clashes of civilisation of the early 21st century.

See you on another thread.

KMB,

Foxy was the one who pointed out your error, I simply congratulated him/her.

"The upshot then is that Jews are disproportionately greater recipients (over Muslims) of the Nobel Peace prize also, by a factor of about 70 (correct me if I'm wrong)."

Yup you are wrong. There are not 70 times the number of Jewish recipients of the Nobel Peace prize compared to Muslim ones. Getting to be a bit of a habit? Perhaps you would like to stop there.

"5 winners in (don't laugh, it's rude) Peace from the billion plus eligible Muslims?"

Did you laugh when you learned there were Jewish recipients of the Peace Prize or was your humour reserved for Muslim winners? Began was universally recognised as a terrorist but is that irrelevant because he is Jewish? Or am I misconstruing your mirth?