The Dept of Homeland Security in the US has released and assessment report entitled "Rightwing Extremism": Current and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.The DHS warns law enforcement agencies to be on guard against anyone who opposes; illegal immigration, same sex marriage, free trade agreements, gun control, the New World Order, One World Govt, the outsourcing of American jobs,the percieved threat to US sovereignty by foreign powers,abortion, declararions of martial law, creation of citizen detention camps, suspension of the US constitution,[or abridgement of state authority], people who believe in the end times prophecies and who stockpile food,ammunition or firearms.
See http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-04-17/we-are-all-extremists-now/

Chick Baldwin goes on to say this would include at least,if not more than 75% of the US pop.What happened to the threat of Al Qaeda?It seems that the US people are more of a threat to the US Govt than the terrorists or the communists.Why has not Obama repealed the Patriot Act which allows such oppressive legislation to subjuate the US population?

We are witnessing the beginnings of facism in the US and the popular media is ignoring it's birth! History does repeat itself and the US is beginning to look like Nazi Germany pre-WW2.

Governments all around the world are getting out of control. Just check out this gem:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5177478/French-fishermen-speak-out-against-the-frightening-imprisonment-of-British-comrades.html

[The response of the French government has been to try to buy off their fishermen’s anger by offering them a 4 million euro subsidy if they will agree to suspend fishing, The British Government’s response is first to steal everything our fishermen own and then put them in gaol.]

And in Sweden four or five blokes get a year in prison and a 2.5 million pound fine for providing links to torrent files. Something all the major search engines do everyday, why aren't they sent to gaol and fined.

But don't worry, the BS is coming here too, just wait till the recession really take a hold, not too far off now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN9WhFSnkls
YouTube..Economist William K.Black pulls no punches in spelling out who is really responsible for our current economic disaster

alex jones[see after 4 min mark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xbCWU67xV4

http://www.infowars.com/the-great-geithner-coverup/Geithner Coverup

Bank of England, Sterling and Government Treason
http://www.infowars.com/bank-of-england-sterling-and-government-treason/
Mike Robinson.The Bank of England was originally set up as a core part of the British Empire
.making huge profits from loans to the British East India Company and other tendrils of the Great British parasite.

http://www.infowars.com/china-slows-purchases-of-us-and-other-bonds/

http://www.infowars.com/luke-rudkowski-on-russia-today-us-media-doesnt-want-truth/

http://www.infowars.com/dutch-publication-prince-bernhard-was-deeply-involved-in-weapons-trade/

http://www.infowars.com/self-righteous-neocon-republicans-complain-about-dhs-report/
Malkin, Gingrich,Weiner,Hannity and the rest really do not have a problem with government assessments formulated in secret,..
so long as they are directed against their political enemies.

http://www.infowars.com/national-guard-on-alert-for-tea-party-protests/

http://www.infowars.com/goldman-sachs-tries-to-shut-down-financial-blogger/
WHY..How did Goldman do it?

Well, as Floyd Norris..chief financial correspondent for the New York Times..explains,Goldman simply didn't report results for December 2008,..a month in which it took huge write-downs.

Its easy to look profitable when you can cook the books .

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/04/how-goldman-posted-profitable-quarter.html

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/04/dont-fall-for-old-divide-and-conquer.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/




It Is Time to Dissolve All Central Banks
http://www.prisonplanet.com/it-is-time-to-dissolve-all-central-banks.html
the Federal Reserve has failed on its own terms.
Specifically,it has failed to provide the counter-cyclical influence on the economy which is its very justification for existing in the first place.

Scope of Emergency Loan Plans
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fed%e2%80%99s-kohn-dudley-defend-size-scope-of-emergency-loan-plans.html

Two of the Federal Reserve’s top policy makers defended the Fed’s emergency lending,saying the programs won’t cause an inflationary surge or create“significant”risk for taxpayers.

Fannie Mae Exec Chosen to Oversee TARP:White House
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fannie-mae-exec-chosen-to-oversee-tarp-white-house.html
The executive chosen to lead Fannie Mae through a government takeover has been tapped to oversee the $700 billion rescue of the U.S. financial system,
http://www.counterpunch.org/

The international monetary system’s breakdown is underway
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/04/instead-of-bailing-out-mainstream.html

If we believe US leaders and their scores of media experts,China is only dreaming of remaining a prisoner,and even of intensifying the severity of its prison conditions by buying always more US T-Bonds and Dollars.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/summer-2009-the-international-monetary-system%e2%80%99s-breakdown-is-underway.html

OBAMA’S NEW WORLD ORDER?Frightening 150 Page Report into Obama's New World Order.Report is Under Threat of being Taken Offline.Must See Now.
http://www.antichristidentity.com/
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1362
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1358
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1301
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1234
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?cat=8
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?cat=7
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?cat=4
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?cat=6

MONEY WATCH ARCHIVE
http://www.prisonplanet.com/section/money-watch
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1079197.htm

read the links;IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE

extracted
http://www.prisonplanet.com/crisis-as-a-way-to-build-a-world-wide-totalitarian-state.html

Statements,,by representatives of‘the global elite’..indicate that the current crisis is being used as a mechanism..for provoking some deepening social upheavals..that would make mankind urge of its own free will...HAHA..a‘supra-national’arbitrator..with dictatorial powers intervene into the world affairs.

..events are following the same path as the Great/Depression in 1929-1933:..a financial crisis,..an economic recession,..social conflicts,..totalitarian dictatorships,..inciting a war to concentrate power..[israel attacking iran?..and capital in the hands of a narrow circle.

..a decisive blow..should be dealt to the national/state/sovereignty institution's,..followed by a transition to a system of private power of trans-national elites...ruling over camps of work for food disposesed,paying carbon tax.

David Rockefeller,author;the idea of private power..that is due to replace the governments,..said that we were on the threshold of global changes...All we need,..he went on,..is some large-scale crisis that will..make people accept..the new world order.

Jacques Attali,Sarkozy’s adviser..claimed that the elites had been incapable of dealing with the currency/problems of the 1930s...He was afraid,he said,that a similar'mistake'..would be made again.

At first we’ll wage wars,he went on,and let 300 million people perish...[via bird flue/war?]..After that reforms will follow and a world government....we better think about..a world government..already at this stage,?

The same was stated by Henry Kissinger:..[who is really running usa..In the final analysis,the main task is to define and formulate the general concerns of the majority of countries,..as well as of all leading states with regard to the economic crisis,..considering the collective fear of a terrorist jihad.

Next,..all of that should be converted to a common action strategy…Thus,America and its potential partners are getting a unique chance for turning the moment of the crisis into a vision of hope.

The world is being led to accept the“new order”idea to avoid provoking events that are likely to make the universal protests against the worsening conditions of human existence take‘a wrong course’and become uncontrolled...with an emphasis on the‘hopelessness’of the national-state models...for emerging from the crisis....thus the fear global warming,y2k,sars,birdflue,somalia piraites,istrael clones walking out of the un summit...people in fear are easilly decieved[led]

Arjay:"History does repeat itself and the US is beginning to look like Nazi Germany pre-WW2."

Beginning to? Where have you been for the last 10 years? The US is a police state, with more police per head of population than any other advanced State and with many more pseudo-police paid for by property owners.

Australia, thankfully, has avoided the worst of that kind of development to date, but you can rest assured that senior police here see much to admire in the US example and dimwitted populist politicians are more than happy to give them what they want at election time.

They've already got shiny new powers of entry and surveillance that basically strip any right of habeus corpus from the subject, since they will not be told until the police have done their bugging, possibly not even then.

The US, howver, is not a democracy like Australia. It is a Republic that makes no bones about being unrepresentative. It is deeply divided economically, culturally and politically, despite the two parties being almost interchangeable. US politicians are quick to use those divides, just as the Nazis (and John Howard) were. Hitler was a "working class hero" before the war and swept to power on a wave of popular support for his economic policies that contrasted sharply with the depression that the Weimar Republic had presided over.

OTOH, to put a kinder view, the US powers that be are no doubt fully cognisant of the likely civil chaos that is going to occur as oil runs low and the current economic crisis is made to look minor. In that case, it is simply common sense to start looking for the likely seeds of such trouble in order to be able to minimise their effects.

Personally, I think it's a waste of time: the hydra problem. Every increase in State intrusion will lead to a greater resentment of the state and hasten breakdown, ISTM. I don't envy nos 46 to 50 in the US hotseat.

For once I agree with Antiseptic. Scary.

Arjay, you are increasingly becoming a scaremonger. The US has its best chance in ten years of reversing the trend of organisations like the Project for New American Century.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Founded in 1997, they will be consigned to the trash-can of history.

You know what a profile is, Arjay?.

It's kinda like you got smacked in the head with an object from the sky and are yelling about how the sky falling. 'The Gods Must Be Crazy', anyone?.

Think that's scarey? See todays The Australian, P12. from Hal. G.P. Colebatch titled "Though Police muscle up in Britain" It's already happenned.

Here's what spindoc is talking about.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25361297-17062,00.html

It's ironic though. In order to make change against prejudice and racism you have enforce the change. We asked for 'political correctness' and we complain when the state goes 'alrighty then, you can't make the change yourselves, here's what we've GOT to do'?. I don't support a young girl being dragged in and processed for STATING something of concern about her doing her work. Who's at fault in that case, the state, or the teacher?.

A Satanist DOES have the right to believe in what they do, just as much as a Christian, Jew, Muslim, or Pagan. Who are YOU to decide that a Satanist having their own 'church' on a warship is wrong when we demand our beliefs be respected?. What's a religion?.

No one is to blame other than ourselves as a society. Judges need to be responsible and use their heads occasionally, so does a cop investigating a complaint, so does the teacher etc etc. Where's common sense?.

Arjay

Is this what you mean?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=223862&title=baracknophobia-obey&om_u=-NtaPG&om_i=_BJ5N1CB7gch9dU&

Cheers

The New York Times reports that the FBI will join 15 States in taking DNA swabs from people detained but not yet given their day in court. Innocent people will now be on record. The State rolls on.

Arjay,

Very nasty, if true. Unfortunately, the web, www, internet, whatever you want to call it, is notoriously unreliable, given that crackpots of all types, as well and level headed and decent people, can post whatever they like on it. The problems are that, unless we know the person or organisation, we can’t tell the crackpots from the sane.

I haven’t looked at your web reference; I never look at them for the above reasons. Many people rely on them of course, but only a well known, reliable person or original documents are to be believed these days. I would rather not use my allowance of megabytes.

However, if the site did portray the truth, it’s a good thing that I don’t want to go to the US. As one who definitely opposes illegal immigration, same sex marriage, globalisation and world government, they wouldn’t let me in.

I've always been sceptical about the introduction in the states of a Department of Homeland Security, just as I am with Australia's so-called 'Border security'. Fortunately, we haven't got one almightily powerful department to manage it - as yet, though that's eventually coming too I guess. These departments just give legitimacy to an aggressive ramping up of intelligence gathering and policing and further breed fear and intolerance within the community.

If though, as Arjay tells it, the DHS is going after America's lunatic rightwing fringe, then I say all power and more to its success. And while its about it, perhaps it can finally do something about introducing gun control into a country where over thirty thousand people a year die from gun related injuries. The right to bear arms has always been a key part of the far Right agenda in American politics. Hopefully, we might be about to see some long overdue action on this front. I hope so.

Bronwyn

Thanks for a straight forward common sense optimistic hope for an empathic, tolerant and inclusive USA.

The third post in this thread seemed to me to be inordinately long. I know that when I include links in my own posts they contribute to the total word count, which I routinely check, before attempting to post, in my text editor, Gedit. So I copied the post in its entirety into a blank Gedit document, and checked the word count. It came to 621, well above the OLO post limit of 350 words per post.

So I dobbed the post in for deletion, suspecting that in some way the poster had hacked a way around the OLO software word limit.

GrahamY advised me by email that when he checked the wordcount in MS Word it came to 334 words in the post. He suggested that perhaps my text editor (Gedit) was taking full stops as defining a word and turning all the links into multiple words. Seemed reasonable.

As a check, I copied the entire post into an OpenOffice Writer document. That is an open source program broadly equivalent to MS Word, except that it comes free with Ubuntu Linux, which itself comes free, of both cost and BSOD. (I don't have MS Office readily available to me at the moment.) The total word count for the post came to 541 in OO Writer. Curious, when the same copy in Gedit returned a word count of 621.

Next, I selected the black text in the OLO post and got the word count for that in OO Writer. It came to 323, leaving a notional 218 words worth in the orange link text. As a cross-check, I copied all the links in the post into a Gedit document by way of pre-compilation of a post as I would normally do, before copying a post into the OLO posting pane.

The text of this post comes to 334 words, and should be accompanied by the identical links that were posted by the original poster. We'll see if I can post.

PS No go. The red warning said my post was 360 words! Go figure!

350 words.

Forrest, a hearty thanks for your efforts in trying to protect us from the tyranny of too many words.

Bronwyn, so your all for the 'aggressive ramping up of intelligence gathering and policing and further breed fear and intolerance' as long as you get to pick the target? If someone breaks the law then arrest them. Being anti abortion is a right, demonstrating on this issue is a right, blowing up abortion clinics is a crime.( for the record I am pro). Like pregnancy you can't be half tolerant.

Some think I'm being alarmist.I will be less alarmist if Obama repeals the Patriot Act and supports Ron Paul in the auditing of the US Fed Res whom the US tax payer is being indentured with more debt to bail out the Corporate elite.Billions of dollars have been given to the Fed yet they are unaccountable to Congress or the tax payer.It is legalised theft on the grandest of scales.

Some doubt my sources.Dr Ron Paul is the US Congressman for Texas.He was also a credible canditate for President.You may not agree with all his policies but he is the only Congessman who has the courage to take on "industrial military complex" that JFK warned about before he was assassinated.There have been many presidents like Andrew Jackson,Abraham Lincoln who have warned about the this vile Federal Reserve system that has corrupted the entire political process in the US.

We in Australia cannot sit idely by and let the US sink into totalitarian oblivian.If the US goes under so do we!

The first step is to support Ron Paul in the auditing of the US Federal Reserve.How much do you treasure your liberty?

A woman who owned a business outside the tube stations in London after the terrorist's attack said,"I will give up my liberty for freedom!" 1984 double speak? This is how afraid and dumbed down the West has become.If you want your liberty,then you better have the courage to fight for it!

What a curious way of responding you have [for-rest grump]
if error of fact rebut that in error

its funny how those who cant rebut what i post rebuke me as cheating [or being illiterate]..but the fact is they dont like what is wrote

mate look at the title...[note it dosnt say complain about how people are posting, but ALARMING TRENDS in the usa..[all the links were re ALARMING stuff going down in usa]//vile things shortly going to affect us all

fine you dont like what i posted,..but such is democracy, we all are allowed to discuss things..[except for those such as you ,who dont like some stuff becomming known

stil your post reveals much about those,your posts are meant to be serving..[all that effort and you cant commennt on a single link?..way to go hero...you cant be bothered to respond to the topic nor a proper response to the topic..[but simply get off on commenting how much you did to keep yourself..[and others who would be deprived of the info]..in ignorance

wonder if your here to comment or censor
working freelance or serving the elite for money

mate there is real evil in this world,..you can try to hush it up or censor it down,..but mate evil loses in the end,..get used to the truth becomming common knowledge..[as people actually read the proofs presented instead of just counting words it takes to reveal their evil]

those who dont want their vile exposed should not do the vile they do

hopefully next time you will respond to the topic..not the poster or the way he posts,..all that education just to go to hell...mate what a waste of the best education, you clearly got, yet fail to relise for a greater good,

please brother try reading just one link, then use your brilliant writing skills to help others only trying to help you

UOG,it was a leading assumption.Forrest Gump cannot see the wood for the trees.

UOG ,what we have to do is work from known realities.Forget about doomsday prophecies,they are in the realm of fantacy.Obama even in his initial stages of power is looking like a George Bush clone.

What must happen first is the auditing of the US Fed Res.From this point the unequivical facts can permeate all of the media.You only have to view some of the illogical contributions to this blog to realise how bereft of thought/logic most of our population have become.

Only the small secrets need to be hidden,the really big ones are repressed by our incredulity.

Support Ron Paul in the auditing of the US Federal Reserve!

The world is inevitably heading toward a global police state or a collection of police states.

There are about 6 billion of us alive today. At the current rate of population growth, there will be 100 billion at the end of the century - all fighting over the crumbs of whatever resources will be left.

The only way to keep order and control in such a situation is by fear and force.

One by one we will continue to hand back small "freedoms" - for our own good of course.

@ Wobbles.

That's why I truly believe there are sinister plans to reduce the population in short time. At the end of the day, the planet cannot support a rising China and India all living like the west does. Now add in Africa and where do all the resources come from, mars perhaps?

While these under developed countries lived a life of poverty and had a small footprint on the world, all was well. The west could pillage and plunder whatever they needed, but now that they are becoming consumers like the west and want their material lives just as us, all the carbon taxes, solar panels and windmills aren't gunna do jack!

Everyone and I mean every single person on this planet needs to take a long hard look at their lives and those of others and realise the party's over!

So what's the solution? Mass melt down of our liberties while the PTB finally arrive at a number they think is sustainable.

Arjay:""industrial military complex" that JFK warned about"

Actually, it was Eisenhower who coined the phrase and in his original version (which was not delivered as written), he used the term "Military-industrial-Congressional complex", which is far more accurate.

Wobbles, you're on to it. The fact is that the US has a lengthy land border with a very impoverished part of the world and an even longer sea coast. They also have a massive underclass of their own, which has evolved to serve the desires of the middle class as they try to pretend to be wealthy. Many of the members of that underclass come from those impoverished states to the south.

If the people in charge in the US are not cognisant of the threat posed to their way of life if that underclass should become sufficiently desperate then they're not the paranoiacs they used to be, which seems unlikely.

Our comfy world is going to become a much less pleasant place over the next few decades.

one under god,

You ask whether I am here to comment or to censor.

I am commenting upon an anomaly, that anomaly being that you have apparently been able to make a post to this forum that exceeds the word limit that we (we being all other registered OLO users) are to understand applies to all posters. I described in detail what I did in order to replicate what your first post in this thread achieved so that other posters could check for themselves whether they, too, could make as long a post.

Far from attempting to censor you, I actually attempted to republish all 30 of the links you provided in that post, in the order you posted them. The OLO site would not let me do so when those 30 links were accompanied by the 334 words of my first post in this thread that preceded the notation 'PS' at the commencement of its second-last line. Your first post contained 334 words of black text, just different words to mine, that accompanied your 30 links. You were able to post. I wasn't. I simply wonder how and why.

Because I value the opportunity the Forum provides for all to express an opinion, and perhaps present arguments in support of those opinions, I am alert to what might prove to be vulnerabilities in the software of the site to hacking, such that third parties may disrupt discussions. On the face of it, it appeared as if this anomaly could be a manifestation of one such vulnerability.

One way of disrupting discussions, or the Forum in general, is for individual posters to post excessively and/or incoherently. Another is for different persons to post under the one userID, such that other posters become uncertain as to which 'persona' behind a userID it is to whom they may be responding. The Forum rules as to word limits and posts per day exist to minimise such possible disruption or monopolization of discussion.

Your views as to posting limits can be seen here: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2637#60577 and in the following post.

my dear for rest grumpp, the link you post has no bearing on this topic,the point you claim to make is about grayam not accepting a topic i tried to post[3 times] getting an error message and a lot of other frustrations [such as losing the initial post when i tried to post it[to in the end have it rejected by grayham,

AS IS HIS RIGHT AS MODERATOR

since i have had yet another topic rejected..[BUT I ACCEPT his right to do so]you it seems cant let him decide a post legitimate or other [you sir cant accept the umpire

worse you cant let the issue go...[have wasted two posts now on this issue at this topic alone[how respectfull are you?

the topic is alarming trends and you have wasted two posts so far OFF TOPIC TROLLING about an issue grayham HAS RULED ON..yet still insist your right to distract from the topic...[FORCING me to waste my valuable posts responding to your distractions

i appologuise to the poster of this topic for responding to an off topic troll..[i would complain but an in a position FORCED ON ME BY YOU [for reason of what? [get my finally and completly banned?

i have had previous bans [accepted them with grace]have you ever had that rejected feeling of a ban?..it hurts dude [but your the sort that seeks others to feel the pain, but never you because you are the forerest grump

i will not distract further to the topic[if your ongoing complaints see me censored , you will regard it as a job well done and target your next victim, but this too is out of my hands

stop whining and start posting my brother
if your cause celibre be just ...post to the topic
stop off topic trolling bro
grow up son

i accept the umpires call
why cant you?
[its a retorical question
[i refuse to further destract from the POSTED TOPIC,

will not be replying to you further
now back to topic

a topic you would prefer was never raised
[but it is now reply TO the TOPIC]

This quote is from Hal G.P. Colebatch's article in The Australian, referred to by spindoc, and linked to by StG:

"This campaign [of forced evolution into a 'soft' totalitarian state] seems to come from unelected or quasi-governmental bodies controlling various institutions, which are more or less unanswerable to electors, more than it does directly from the Government, although the Government helps drive it and condones it in a fudged and deniable manner."

Antiseptic's correction of Arjay's misquotation of 'industrial-military complex' and misattribution of it to JFK, achieved by quoting the original draft of Eisenhower's reference, 'Military-industrial-Congressional complex', is also particularly relevant. The relevance derives from the mention of the word 'Congressional', thereby establishing a focus upon the electoral process as a key element of this first creeping, now seemingly accelerating, totalitarianism in the US.

I suggest that it is in the subversion of the electoral process that this totalitarianism gains its first traction, whether it be in the democracy that is our Constitutional Monarchy, or the (in Antiseptic's view) unrepresentative republic that is the US. That subversion may be effected in the US through apathy (witness the historically low voter turnout) and complacency (witness the acceptance of electronic voting and counting). In Australia, where electoral apathy is prohibited by law, I suggest the subversion is one of the actual administration of elections and matters related thereto, a subversion facilitated by a debauched legislative environment in that respect.

Whilst I am in broad agreement with much of what Arjay has recounted in his opening post, I am amazed at the seeming naivety of the question as to why Obama has not yet repealed the Patriot Act, which is a product of the legislature. Whilst a President may influence the passage, or repeal, of legislation, such may take quite some time.

In Australia, far from endorsing what scaremongering 'shock jockery' may insist *must now be done* in the US, I suggest it is far more appropriate to expose the corruption of our electoral process. This means noting anomalies, and their potential significance.

Obama is a radical left-wing loony and his appointee to head the Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano is cut from the same cloth.
Ironically the DHS was formed to combat the threat posed by radical Islam after 9/11 but the multicultural left can't manage to muster up enough rational thinking to identify the obvious threat so they have to manufacture one and who could possibly be more dangerous than those who don't wholeheartedly embrace the dystopian left wing agenda?
As identified by the report these are:

war veterans
opponents of illegal immigration
supporters of the literal meaning of the Second Amendment
believers in constitutionally limited government
opponents of the killing of unborn babies
supporters of U.S. sovereignty and independence
opponents of same-sex marriage

These dangerous terrorists must be stopped and Obama and Janet are the right people for the job.

Forrest Gump.In 2006 Obama elected to keep the Patriot Act with 3 changes to aid civil liberties.Section 213 of this act is of major concern.It allows for phone taps,invasion of your property,access all information on your computer,medical records,bank a/c and take DNA samples without your knowledge or consent.

Obama sees the major problem as being George Bush's executive orders but the Patriot Act gives them unauthorised access to your property whereby incriminating evidence can also be planted by them.

You only have to look at the RTA in NSW whereby you can be proved innocent of a traffic offence and still lose your points.The RTA are judge,jewry and executioner.

Arjay, it's jury not jewry.

I think that's what's known as a Freudian slip.

As for the wingnut paranoia about being included in profiling parameters for extremism, I'm told that if they wear hats made of tinfoil they're invisible to Big Brother.

Personally, I'd rather not be in close proximity to anyone who matched too many of the DHS criteria .- particularly if they're wearing a tinfoil hat

Horus and Bugsy,

There is a post missing from the thread, but its not the one Horus mentioned. It is one of Fractelle's.

Earlier she had posted just minutes after this post on Wednesday, 22 April 2009 1:48:55 PM the identical text plus a link. It was pretty clearly an unintended double-post, with one small difference, the link, which had either been forgotten on the first posting, or hadn't copied into the posting pane when intended for posting.

I flagged the first of the virtually identical posts for deletion purely as a thread clean-up suggestion. Either by mistake, or because of a requirement to follow strict propriety with respect to double-postings, the second post containing the link was the one taken down by OLO.

My apologies to Fractelle. Here is the link I believe she posted: http://www.usyd.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=3283

I retrieved it from the 'Recently closed tabs' display under 'History' in my Firefox browser. I hope it is the correct one; memory says it is (and the fact that it was in the History shows that I at least opened it, if not read it, doesn't it?).

What may have thrown Horus is that both the post count dropped back by one, and the pagination of his post may have altered as a consequence. He may thus not have seen his post where it had previously been, and mistakenly concluded it was missing. Such things happen.

Interesting, the arrival of KMB on the thread with a whole stack of assertions in relation to Obama, following the earlier accusations of trolling levelled by oug earlier in the day. Doubly interesting, in the light of the topic 'Abortion is a Blessing and Abortionists are Saints' and my comment thereon: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2654#59738 , particularly the second link given and the lack of response in that dialogue.

In my view its 'shock jockery' when a poster opens a topic with a set of assertions, but then has nothing of substance to say.

Forrest

"In my view its 'shock jockery' when a poster opens a topic with a set of assertions, but then has nothing of substance to say."

I agree.

I'm sure Arjay will have some more to say, just as soon as he goes back and checks with his Ron Paul website.

Whether of course there's any more substance to it than his earlier efforts is I'd suggest highly unlikely.

It seems Bronwyn has misread my previous post.

The comment "In my view its 'shock jockery' when a poster opens a topic with a set of assertions, but then has nothing of substance to say." applied to KMB as the opening poster of the topic 'Obama seeks to manipulate electoral boundaries' on Wednesday, 18 February 2009 at 2:00:21 PM. The very topic title itself was an assertion.

The comment in no way applied, nor was it meant to apply, to Arjay in this thread. Arjay's opening post was largely a recounting of attributed statements, together with a link. Arjay's topic title is 'ALARMING TRENDS in the US', and in no way constitutes a dogmatic unsubstantiated assertion. Its only fault is a little 'shouting' in the title.

Arjay's concluding comment in that opening post was:

"We are witnessing the beginnings of facism in the US and the popular media is ignoring it's birth! History does repeat itself and the US is beginning to look like Nazi Germany pre-WW2."

Only someone who was unfamiliar with what constitutes fascism, or perhaps unrecognised to themselves was exhibiting fascist tendencies, could find Arjay's statement unsupported in that post or indeed by common knowledge, or classify it as 'shock jockery'. And Arjay has continued to engage in this thread, in contrast to KMB in the 'Obama seeks to manipulate electoral boundaries' thread. The fact that I might not be in agreement with him in some respects does not make him a 'shock jock' here.

Bronwyn,

Sorry if I was asking you to surf too far for the subject of my 'shock jockery' claim. You may have missed out on the opportunity for another ride in the Hotairbus A390 on the way. And, come to think of it, KMB only posted once in addition to the opening post on that rather long thread, and then only on abortion, which, as GrahamY pointed out to us all, wasn't really the subject, or 'hook', of the topic at all.

Any 'shock jockery' was perhaps in the third post.

My Dear Forrest

How gallant of you. I was having trouble with loading post (happens a lot lately) got those square box error messages 'reported to staff' blah blah. Returned to find both original draft and revision (with link) on thread, and later to find that the post I wanted on thread had been deleted.

And now you have provided my link, which no doubt, KMB and Arjay will completely ignore - else their entire belief system would crash around them in an apocalyptic blast of reality. Painful for some.

Today has started particularly well, and this 'confession' from Forrest (revealing his inner champion) is another step in what promises to be a most glorious day.

What a SENSATIONAL TREND.

Love to all.

trend line continues down

Combat Support Battalion Deployed to“Maintain Public Order”at Boston Marathon..National Guard called out to acclimatize citizens to the presence of uniformed soldiers at civilian events.

http://www.infowars.com/combat-support-battalion-deployed-to-maintain-public-order-at-boston-marathon/

Insane Cop Arrests ABC News Reporter For Filming Traffic Accident
http://www.infowars.com/insane-cop-arrests-abc-news-reporter-for-filming-traffic-accident/
Some speculate authorities didn’t want involvement of troops in car wreck caught on camera.

NLE 09: FEMA Takes Preparations for Martial Law to the Next Level
http://www.infowars.com/nle-09-fema-takes-preparations-for-martial-law-to-the-next-level/
FEMA’s latest phase of a plan to implement martial law will be held in July.


Alan Keyes: Government Will Stage Terror, Declare Martial Law
http://www.infowars.com/alan-keys-government-will-stage-terror-declare-martial-law/
Former Presidential candidate gives most dire warning yet about Obama agenda.

Housing Bubble Smackdown:Bigger Crash Ahead
http://www.infowars.com/housing-bubble-smackdown-bigger-crash-ahead/
The housing market is going under and it’s going to drag a good part of the broader economy along with it.

Bank Lending Keeps Dropping
http://www.infowars.com/bank-lending-keeps-dropping/
The 12 trillion that is being floated to insolvent US banks is essentially being looted in the paper economy.

Simon Johnson Decries Influence Of Wall Street Oligarchs, US A Banana Republic
http://www.infowars.com/simon-johnson-decries-influence-of-wall-street-oligarchs-us-a-banana-republic/
The pattern is exactly the same, with a two-way money-and-power corridor now running between Washington and the modern oligarchs Wall Street.

New York Times: Tax Savers and Negative Return
http://www.infowars.com/new-york-times-tax-savers-and-negative-return/
The banksters sincerely believe you have no right to save money or live a decent life.
http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-argues-against-bailout-policies-at-wake-forest/
http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-talks-with-alan-colmes-on-secession-piracy-torture-memos-and-more/
http://www.infowars.com/change-you-have-been-told-to-believe-in-a-closer-examination-of-barack-obama%e2%80%99s-foreign-policy/
http://www.infowars.com/gorbachev-the-model-for-the-obama-doctrine/
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/61688
http://www.infowars.com/alternet-bombshell-rep-jane-harman-caught-on-tape-agreeing-to-lobby-for-alleged-aipacisrael-spies/
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1080097.html
http://www.infowars.com/clinton-warns-of-iran-sanctions/
http://www.infowars.com/fox-launches-infowars-clone-website-in-attempt-to-cannibalize-the-patriot-movement/
http://www.infowars.com/pepe-escobar-there-will-be-class-war-and-blood/
http://www.infowars.com/israel-to-go-to-war-with-iran-hours-after-order/
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/04/morgan-stanley-follows-goldmans-lead.html
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=395
http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2009/04/biggest-tax-increases-on-poor-ever.html

heck if you wanted to really know what hapend you would do your own searches
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

[but you dont..do you..lol..ok dont say you wernt told]

Ron Paul was a failed independent conservative (who claimed to be liberal) Presidential candidate with 4% of the vote.

His policies during the debates were confused contradictory and opportunist.

The FBI have had a record under hoover of privacy breaches bugging Martin Luther King his bedrooms etc. for the dirt, as he saw them as threats to the Country 'Un-American Activities'. The US survived.

Threats to the nation are stock and trade for conservatives. Conspiracy theories Paranoia re gov. abuse the far right.
Human rights breaches the left ranging to “hysteria and big brother is watching” at the extreme left.
Do you really believe of 20 million people you are worth spying on? Interesting as your life might be to you and people you know it is boring and uninteresting (indistinguishable) to them. (who ever they are.
My point is be aware not alarmed.

egsaminator you are right to advise not to be afraid, there is no reason for fear[evil loses in the end], and your right that govt dont need to watch people[and i know they arnt watching me,..lol]

but re rom paul he was a mainstream republican nomenee
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB&ei=b8XvSczwFIv6kAWI4OXfCg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=ron+paul+republican+nominee&spell=1

ok he was only there as a destraction, but he was a repulican party nomenee,but i cant blame you for not knowing ,even many americans possably didnt realise,its not really an alarming 'trend' its just the way the game is played in the two party demon autocratic farce

the media made a specific point in downplaying him and censoring him out of the debates, activly ridiculing him if he had to be mentioned but mostly ignoring him the rest of the time, obama copied much of his method,..absorbed most of his following,

but ron paul thunk it first..it was a neat play by the way, history shows obama got in, mainly because the good guy/bad guy play suckered the people yet again, obama did beat mclaim , but had the rep organisation chose ron ,he would be pres now

but hey its not your fault your missinformed, thats half the game, in this two party demon autocratioc two party farce

Forrest

"The comment in no way applied, nor was it meant to apply, to Arjay in this thread."

Thanks for your detailed explanation and apology. As I inferred in the "Rot in Hell" thread though, I still think my post stands as is, and won't be backing down from it.

There's nothing particularly wrong with the manner in which Arjay has posted, granted, but to me the content of his post definitely fits well within the 'shock jockery' tag. I wouldn't have chosen that tag myself mind you, but I was happy to latch onto it and still consider it quite appropriate. Arjay's alarmism in my opinion is both misguided and misdirected and deserving of a fairly scathing response.

So thank you for your concern but I won't be retracting anything! :)

Some are more into character assasination rather than considering the realities.I will not bother with a reponse.

My view is that the entire US political system has been corrupted by the US Federal Reserve.They have more power and money than any other cartells on this planet.You only have to study their history to realise the influence they have on this planet.It is the reserve banking systems of the world that create inflation through the fractional reserve banking system {ie loaning out 9 times the real value of currency]which eventually leads to collapse.

When deflation happens,they then add to the problem with more money[eg IMF $1.4 trillion cyber money] further depreciating currencies,then buying up the cheap assets themselves.We are now witnessing the grandest legalised theft in our history and we are begging for more bailout money generated in a computer which not only must be repaid,but also we have the priviledge of paying interest.Wouldn't you like to counterfeit money and loan it out at interest?

If you believe nothing else of what I've said ,support Ron Paul in the auditing of the US Federal Reserve.The US tax payer has given them $ Trillions and yet they are unaccountable in terms of where the money has gone and their political influence.Only 11% of Congress currently support HR 1207 to audit the Fed.This alone give us a powerful hint of the Fed's influence.

Is it just me, or does anybody else routinely skip over one under god's incomprehensible posts?

I honestly can make neither head nor tail of it.

CJ

Life is too short, he is on my list of 'don't bother, waste of time.'

I know this is rude and there may well be something of worth in his posts.... somewhere.

Apologies UOG - politely suggest you make your point clearly and on topic.

http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-000923.htm

There;s a busy little private company..the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation.

It turns out that this company holds 23 trillion dollars in assets, and had 917 trillion dollars worth of transactions in 2002...23,000,000,000,000 dollars in assets.

As it turns out,..they are trusted with that kind of resources. because they seem to have a monopoly on what they do...

In brief,they process the vast majority of all stock transactions in the United States as well as for many other countries.

And 99% of all stocks in the U.S. appear to be legally owned by them.

In the old days,..when you owned stocks you would have the stock certificates lying in your safe...And if you needed to trade them,you needed to get them shipped off to a broker.

Nowadays that would be considered very cumbersome,and it would be impractical to invest via computer or over the phone.So the shortcut was invented that the broker would hold your stocks instead of you.

but they're just holding them in trust and trading them for you.
And you're in reality the beneficiary rather than the owner.

Which is all fine and dandy if everything goes right..it appears the rules were then changed so the brokers are not allowed any longer to put the stocks in their own name.

Instead,what they typically do is to put the stocks into the name of "Cede and Company" or "Cede & Co" or some such variation.And the broker might tell you that it is just a fictitious name,and will explain why it is really more practical to do that than to put it in your name.

The problem with that is that it appears that Cede isn't just some dummy name,..but an actual corporation that DTCC controls.

It is a private company,owned by the same people (major U.S. banks) who own the Federal Reserve Bank.

But if there's a national U.S. emergency and/or the U.S. government becomes unable to pay its debts,well, they might just not give you your stocks back.Because legally they own them.Something to think about.

An fascinating article about this whole thing is here.
http://www.monetaryportfolio.com/tab.html

Leigh,
Here is the link to the original document which was produced and disseminated to US law enforcement agencies by the DHS under the authority of Janet Napolitano:
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
It uses the phrase "right wing extremism" 38 times which seems pretty extreme to me.

Interestingly the Dutch General Intelligence and Security Service has a more realistic perspective on the source of extremist threats.

"AIVD: Extreme Left more Dangerous than Extreme Right"
"There is no question of a trend towards extreme right terrorism" according to the latest annual report from the Dutch General Intelligence and Security Service (AIVD).
In contrast the “far left” Antifascist Action (AFA) arm of the Anti-Fascist and Capitalist Archive Collective (KAFKA) which “is regularly cited by Dutch 'quality media' as a research institute into rightwing extremism”, “is in reality a movement that uses violence to achieve its goals”.
According to AIVD, "the picture is often evoked of antifascists defending themselves against aggressive rightwing extremists, while the roles are generally reversed."
Antifascist Action is involved in “intimidation” and “violent actions”, “increasingly operating in small cells”.
As well as the far left AIVD is concerned about “Islamic extremism” and “warns that radical Muslims often wear a mask…express(ing) themselves more moderately in public than in closed circles".
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/230409_2.htm

I find the Dutch slant on reality much more convincing.

UOG,I suspected as much.$20 trillion?They could buy our country many times over.They probably own much of the shares in our major resource companies.No Govt be it Labor Liberal,Democrat or Republican have the guts or resources to stand up to them.

KMB I could not access the link.Yep,the world will never be the same but we now have to fight for our freedoms and it will be fought in the US.They have both the civilian weapons and the WMDS.Ron Paul apparently now has 88 co-sponsors for the auditing of the US Fed.No one has nominated a number to get this bill out of committee status.There are 500 members of Congress.I just hope that it doesn't take 251 to push for an audit.

yeah arjay ,but just think by holding ''this company holds 23 trillion dollars in assets,''... they managed to sell [trade] that same23 trillion OF REAL ASSETS..'' and had 917 trillion dollars worth of transactions in 2002''..in 2002 ALONE..trading only 23 trillion of REAL ASSETS

its mind blowing there is only 23 trillion..[yet we trade 917 trillion]..by bying and selling the SAME sum total equivelent of one weeks worth of day trade in REAL SHARES..[its better than the old scam where they over issued gold certificates]..and still people cant see our subsidy..[for super, 25 billion per year ,isnt buying any real shares]...lol

anywonder we get perfectly inteligent people [no doudt with much investment in super ..lol. saying they cant understand my posts.. thus cant see the joke..people are losing their houses in this scam, banks are reposessing homes of bankrupted 'investors',

but they never owned even a single REAl share [and never will be allowed to own A SINGLE REAL SHARE. let alone real assets, or metalS OR OIL FUUTURE..[only a promise of a future BENIFIT IF IT GOES UP, OR A SURE LOSS WHEN IT GOES DOWN, that never needs delivery, because it is sold back to the persons who owned it all along[at the whim of what-ever they decide to price it at at the end of the day..lol

come in spinner[and govt subsidy goes straioght to this tiny set off buisness under the imf multihydra beast..how goes the saying its the bull-it you dont hear that gets you[or the trading traitor, that scams you with a promise it will never deliver[any wonder madoff did as he chose, the whole game is a scam]

Ron Paul now has 20% of Congress supporting his bill HR 1207 to audit the Fed.This is good news.

Hopefully this abomination of totalitarian banksters will eventually be defeated,since they not only threaten our sense of justice and fair play but our very existence as a civilised society.

Not sure this is particularly accurate, one under god.

>>There;s a busy little private company..the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation. It turns out that this company holds 23 trillion dollars in assets<<

I had a look at their annual report, and found the following:

Total Assets: $30.2bn

Total Liabilities: $29.9bn

Shareholder Equity: $243M

Looks like a very simple case of misunderstanding what "holding" means.

Stop worrying, people. They're harmless, legal and run a perfectly normal business.

Pericles ,true but they hold $23 trillion in shares and securities in trust.They hold the original certificates.It is like your lawyer holding deeds to your property.Lawyers often borrow against deeds that are not theirs.You can lose your deeds and property if they go broke.They can be charged and perhaps gaoled but you will have lost your property.

Sure, Arjay.

>>Lawyers often borrow against deeds that are not theirs.<<

Only if they are desperate to go to jail.

pericules mate how many of the real criminals get jail time,kleanmaid cleaned up millions, madoff made a plea deal, enron a few lackeys[even alan bond, yet there was no recovery of their debts[realise imf is international, who is going to afford to fight their lawyer cartel

anyhow we live in interesting times here is more of the scam[ok its only 2008]but explains how the scam has been done[only the numbers have grown]as it was written pre the trillion dollars payday, harvested on the backs of the tax payer[yeah its 3 mg]

http://www.wallstreetwatch.org/reports/sold_out.pdf
an easier read is
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/al-gores-venture-capital-firm-set-to-reap-rewards-on-swine-flu/
watch the chemical lobby clean up on the stockmarket today

center for disease control has 500,000 coffins ready
http://www.infowars.com/a-half-a-million-plastic-coffins/
so why
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/when-pigs-fly-flu

By 2005,we lost 40 micro-biologists in less than 4 years,all under suspicious circumstances,and during this time someone discovered that they were all working for the government
http://jollyrogerrevolution.blogspot.com/2009/04/if-you-sell-crack-join-gang-or-rob-mob.html

http://www.legitgov.org/flu_oddities_shortnews.html
recall the last depression
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ftqWGaFVXg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com%2F&feature=player_embedded

when vile people join 3 flues collusion[treason]appears
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/jan1404hybrids.html
http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/

The World Health Organization said Sunday there is no evidence an outbreak of swine flu in Mexico represents an act of bioterrorism.
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200904261235dowjonesdjonline000047&title=who-fukudano-evidence-swine-flu-is-bioterrorism-attack

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30398682
http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2009/04/treason-fest-2009.html

see we need consumers[when consumers stop we dont need workers]
http://thomaspainescorner.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/consumerism-an-historical-perspective/
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/
http://www.infowars.com/swine-flu-is-deadly-mix-of-never-before-seen-viruses/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/world/americas/26mexico.html?emc=eta1
panic is great for the bottum line
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/04/26/2009-04-26_a_waiting_room_full_of_anxiety__face_masks.html

stops us talking about'other'stuff
http://www.henrymakow.com/the_taliban_the_enemy_you_are.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04262009/news/nationalnews/bailing_on_us_workers_166325.htm
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/24/723455/-They-Added-a-Tracheotomy-Kit-to-the-Torture-Chamber
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/washington-to-b-of-a-shareholders-be-damned-2-33406
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20090425_FBI_report_finds_pattern_of_police_misdeeds.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20090424_Daily_News_review__Narc_supervisors_repeatedly_ignored_procedures_for_issuing_search_warrants.html?viewAll=y&c=y
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/pelosi-now-remembers-harman-wiretap/?emc=eta1

but facts are facts
http://www.legitgov.org/baxter_flu_vaccine_260409.html
http://www.silverstockreport.com/2009/Armstrong.pdf
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/you-are-being-lied-to-abo_b_155147.html
http://wimp.com/birdflu/
http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2007/oct07/psroct07.html
http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGUSA20090424001&lang=e

but back to topic
http://www.news-to-use.com/2009/04/pumping-it-up.html
http://newworldliberty.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/swine-flu-attack-likely-a-beta-test/
http://www.twf.org/News/Y1998/19981126-ArabGerm.html
http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/aipac-nsa-spying-and-the-corruption-of-congress/
We never thought it was terrorists!