Peter the Believer wrote: It would seem davidf has had a very severe case of Christian persecution, probably at the hands of Roman Catholics.

Please do not put your anti-Catholic bigotry on me.

I did not mention Catholics. I mentioned the arrogance and bigotry expressed by Jesus in the New Testament that is followed by all Christians. There are many instances of Protestant bigotry. The first few years after the First Fleet landed only Church of England clergy who were chaplains to the English military were supported. Catholics, dissenting Protestants and Jews were deprived of religious representation.

In the United States Protestant Puritans in Massachusetts hanged Quakers and persecuted others who did not follow their religion.

In England Catholics were persecuted after Henry VIII established his own cult called the Church of England. Priest hunting, in general, ended by the mid-18th century. In 1791 the Roman Catholic Relief Act repealed most of the disabilities in Great Britain, provided Catholics took an oath of loyalty, and in 1793 the army, the navy, the universities, and the judiciary were opened to Catholics, although seats in Parliament and some offices were still denied. The Catholic Emancipation Bill passed in 1829.

The first Totalitarian state in Europe was Protestant John Calvin’s Geneva. In Calvin’s truly Christian State, God's word, "la parole de Dieu," was the supreme expression of morality, thought, faith, law, and life; the Bible, as a book, embodied all wisdom, all justice, all truth. For Calvin the Bible was the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. All decisions in all matters must be based upon its texts.

Calvin substituted Protestant orthodoxy for Catholic. Bigotedly sober, he never asked or derived pleasure from anything which can make a man drunken: wine, woman, art, or God's other jolly gifts to earth. Calvin recognized no limit to his power, for, as a theocrat, he considered that everything mundane must be subordinated to the divine and the spiritual.

For the greater glory of God, Calvin executed heretics.

http://www.gospeltruth.net/heresy/heresy_chap2.htm describes Protestant totalitarianism.

david<<I mentioned the arrogance and bigotry expressed by Jesus in the New Testament that is followed by all Christians.>>

mate you dont even know him
the new testiment is about others writing ABOUT him
the end of the old testiment refer's to much of what he did[the messiah returning to his people
delivering the new covenant

telling his own that there is no end time reserction day[we are all reborn again instantly[as he told even the thief on the cross]

its funny how he came to his own and they knew him not
but he was following the script
much of what he did was because ''it was written''

he knew he had to die[mat 26; 11-12, 24, 31 38, 54,56]

its clear he did what the messiah had to do and left[but his judean own knew him not[those currently claiming to be 'his people', or the people of god, arnt who they think they are[the bolchovic jews arnt real judeans[they follow the talmud] a discusting text, written by saton himself[according to friedman and many others]

jesus revealed love god love neighbour[not eye for eye] but turn the other cheek, any who link..''arrogance and bigotry expressed by Jesus'' clearly is deluded or trolling for some reaction to lodge a complaint about defending the true messiah.. but this too was wrote[prophesised by malachi and other true judeans]

israel was but one of the tribes [how come levi the priest class dont claim the holy lands] why only the lowly tribe of israel[under the blue star,lying between the two rivers]the whole thing sounds suss

[add the acts of rothchild to bring the ultimate banker sanctury,..i would be carefull of thowing too many stones at your.[and our] messiah
he came and left,and his'own'knew him not in the least.

its sad bro..your;<<..arrogance and bigotry expressed by Jesus..>>you got no idea, your believing the lies that say he thinks he was god[he didnt]but the lies just go on and on

*OneUnderGod*

I don't think *Davo* is trolling. He has expressed a view based on the words allegedly spoken by *JC* contained in "your" seemingly cherished book.

Now, I would assume you cannot prove to the satisfaction of the scientific method that the writings in the Bible are not the mere fancy of historical figures,

and that neither could you prove the reality of same by way of the processes of courts of law, in that you are expressing supposition, hearsay, and that is to say you do not know it to be true by the faculty of your own five physical senses.

We can accept that you "believe" as a matter of "faith" but that does not make it a fact.

The different peoples of the world have a huge variety of belief systems and intolerance of the views of others is often the reason for conflict.

Now, again, I am not an expert, but I have some experience with other cultures and languages, and the translation of same. I would not be overly confident that the bible is an accurate reflection of what *JC* meant when he spoke.

Now, if you are conversant with Ancient Greek, and what did the Jews use (?Hebrew? ?Aramaic?) And of course the history of those political church creatures who compiled the bible is appalling, so again, I wouldn't be too confident on that basis either.

Even today, the translations at the UN itself are often called into question. Movie translations are generally attrocious, perhaps with the exception of BBC Knowledge & National Geographic, and I am familiar not with them all, and this is but the tip of the iceberg.

Now, I would suggest that *JC* had great support also amongst the local people of the time, which is likely in part one reason the authorities took offence.

t.b.c.

A truly Christian Australia the one we agreed to in 1899 by a referendum, would have Protestant Christian government from the grass roots up, not Roman Catholic government from the top down. It would see lawyers removed from their mediaevil positions of absolute power as false Gods sitting in Capital C Courts meting out punishment to all and sundry who refuse to worship the God State.

Lawyers have replaced the Christian pastors, who used to control the lawyers, before Federation in 1900, by the simple medium of ex-communication. If a Justice got too big for his boots as the Justices on the High Court and all other big C Courts, have, a complaint to his or her local Church, would have seen them excommunicated, and deemed no longer a fit and proper person to hold judicial office. That changed in 1900, when the Constitution gave equality to Roman Catholics.

We adopted top down government instead of the bottom up government introduced to England very firmly by Henry VIII. These new aristocrats, invented on the continental model, drawn exclusively from the legal class rule without mercy, and rarely deliver justice. Justice was supposed to be assured by the matrix of Imperial laws, on top of which the Constitution sits. Lawyers have been persuaded that they can ignore Almighty God, and that their God, the Law, is Supreme.

We should still be able to complain to our Local Church, the Federal Court but the lawyers have control of the door, and decide without ever having a meeting of the people, who will get a hearing and who will not. Order 46 Rule 7A Federal Court Rules. Just like a Roman Catholic Priest, unless you subscribe to their religion, you cannot enter their Church and commune with Almighty God. When you so enter their Church, you must submit to a False God, under craven images, instead of the true Almighty God represented by the Royal Seal of Almighty God.

A truly Christian Australia would be tolerant and governed by common sense where bigots and fanatics would get short shrift, and everyone get justice.

Of course, even today, to attend the UN, the state reps all make the same flowery speeches about human rights for example, and you know that some of them are terrible abusers of one description or another.

They're all a pack of self interested <snip>'s for the most part and there's nothing new in that, so to suggest that the Jews knew him not based on the alleged actions of the establishment is verily the kind of ignorance and bigotry which others have played upon to garner broad support for persecuting Jews historically for political gain. And not just Jews incidentally!

To be honest, you are just like the fundies everywhere. Ignorant, irrational and barely coherent. I preferred *BoazY* What happened to him anyway?

The local Muslims and those of other religious persuasions in this third world country in principal are exactly like you. They justify their position in exactly the same way as you do:

"It is written in the Al'Qoran, that being a true copy, of the words of he who wrote the words of the Arch Angel Gabrielle, who was sent unto the world by El Goddo (it)Self (need a new beyond gender word in english i.m.o.) and therefore you must "bow your <snip> head" and do what we say, as only we the priests really understand these things."

Something like that anyway. And again, in my view why religion at schools should be confined to the comparative only.

I wonder if *OneUnder God* like *BoazY* claims to have had a direct "alien encounter" with the Divine?

PrayTell friend - can you offer us something special or are your rants really just a matter of ideaology and faith mixed together?

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*PtheB*

If you want change in the courts, then I would suggest you put your complaints to the Greens and preach accordingly. You won't get everything you want, but you will make a difference. You certainly are only likely to get more of the same from the blue and the red.

We're getting some great *GoGreen* stuff coming thru CNN, BBC Knowledge and National Geographic .. and Bazza Obama is going to work on revamping the rules in n.america to provide fertile ground to bring some new clean and green tech along. Not too much on the Australian network channel though I note other than lets appease the han war criminals coz they'll give us money on ABC news breakfast.

The news network recently did a piece on rabid dogs in Bali as breaking news. Rabid dogs have been a problem for more than 6 months, with local community organisation hunts and poison baiting for some time.

Still to date, the locals won't confine their dogs, walk them on a lead or pick up their poo. A young local girl got bit here recently. It has the potential to come to violence I suspect.