Err don't need a dictionary to know that you are an anti religious dogmatist Yabby. Evolution, which is totally discredited and which 'evolved' from the philosophical outlook of Darwina nd then on-sold to help out angry atheists ( many of whom actually believe in God but hate Him), has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

Christianity was never invented. God Himself came to us historically as Jesus and well, err/durr Yabby, the rest, they say, is history.

You and David and your othe little mates may cheer on anti discrimiantion laws and if part fo the socialist Left may decry prejudice agaisnt people on religious grounds but in both cases it is all atheist hypocrisy because you guys really hare religion , especially the Catholic Christian Faith. You just have no courage to admit it openly like soem of your other mates. So come on. Admit it now, in the open, and be done with your hypocrisy.

Philo

1. You don't believe in evolution yet bring in genetic predisposition among lactating cows. Quite ironic and not a little funny.

As far as I know there is no correlation between milking cows and women breast feeding their children. Please elucidate. And some more evidence than claiming to be a milkman would help greatly assist your credibility.

Abortion causes no more physical harm to women than does miscarriage. As for emotionally, a woman greatly desiring her baby who miscarries experiences far more hurt, than a woman who is prepared for and has chosen an abortion. I have experienced both in my lifetime, the abortion was a relief at a time I could not have cared adequately for a baby and as I don't live in a world where women are regarded as cows, I was not expected to bring the child to term for adoption which would have brought me far more trauma than the half hour spent having an abortion.

Really, Philo you are deliberately drawing away from the topic here, which is about a little helpless nine year old raped repeatedly by her stepfather then saved from his abuse and thankfully treated with compassion and received an abortion thus saving her life.

In conclusion it is not for you to judge women (any women) how they live their lives - especially someone who never has and never will experience pregnancy.

Ah Webby, your problem here of course is that your very own Catholic
Church has accepted evolution theory. So has every university of
any merit, on this planet. So perhaps you are in the wrong church!

Love and hate are very close and its you who are emotional about
religion and need it to cope with life. Fair enough. To me
its a question of indifference. Religion should be a lifestyle
choice and no more. Yup, certain individuals, to quell their
anxiety, need things like religion to cope with life. A bit like
some people are drug addicts.

Where I have a problem with religion, is when organisations like
the Catholic Church intrude on peoples human rights and want to
enforce their dogma by political mandate.

Lets have freedom of religion but also freedom from religion.

IMHO the Vatican is responsible for much suffering and misery on
this planet and they should be held accountable and be ashamed
of themselves.

They should be free to preach to their flocks, but should not be
free to try and force their dogma on the rest of us. For they
still cannot produce a single piece of substantiated evidence to
show that what they claim is true.

Webby, you really need to back what you're saying with some kind of evidence.

Evolution, which is totally discredited and which 'evolved' from the philosophical outlook of Darwina nd then on-sold to help out angry atheists ( many of whom actually believe in God but hate Him), has nothing to do with the issue at hand..

1) Actually, it hasn't been discredited.
2) Atheists can't hate something they don't believe in. Simple logic.

Christianity was never invented. God Himself came to us historically as Jesus and well, err/durr Yabby, the rest, they say, is history.

I see. Well, seeing as nobody alive today was there are the time I don't see how you can possibly back this up.

Why not go with the Qu'ran? You're basing everything on the bible. Why not go with the Talmud, Qu'ran, or one of the ancient Hindu texts?

Webby, I don't hate god or religion.

I just think any god worth believing in wouldn't take this ridiculous dogmatic ritualism seriously.

I do dislike people who can't grasp basic logic and become dogmatic.

The difference between us Webby, is that you can't identify with any belief system that isn't your own.
I'm not asking you to adopt them, I'm asking you to step outside your box for just a moment and consider that other people have different beliefs to you and they have good reasons for doing so.

However, you persist in telling everyone else they are wrong.

Who's the more 'hating' person?

If a party like your DLP ever got in place, I firmly believe they would be horrifically discriminatory against other religions, given what you've demonstrated. It's a huge worry.

The rest of us can all get along, which is what the world needs. Then there's the fundamentalist nutbags in each religion who need to preach and bring us all to war. Those people, I hate, and their script is just like yours.

Actually evolution has always reamined a theory and not a law of science. Species cannot 'evolve' into a different species. There is neither an incremental gestational alteration nor the wildly crazy 'evolution' of huge leaps and bounds that evolution demands. It is simply unscientific. The fundamentalist creation science and the young earth theory is almost as crazy as evolution.
2) Atheists do actually hate something they don't believe in. Simple logic. The whole secular humanist and Left agenda within the Western world on a legal 'reform' basis that is comprehensive in its scope soas to alter culture is evidence of that.

You don't see and more to the point do NOT want to see. Going upon your own 'logic' all of history is to be treated with suspicion. Why stop at treating a historically continuous body like the Church as suspicious and something not to be believed then?

Sacred texts argument? Catholics do not use that as the Catholic Church precedes the New Testament; and the New Testament is part of that same Church. The Church is living and not a dead letter.
Webby, I don't hate god or religion.

Dogmatic beliefs are not ritualism. Rituals come with the liturgy ( ie the way we worship)eg the Mass, Novenas and other prayer forms.

"I do dislike people who can't grasp basic logic and become dogmatic."
I don't but rather hope you grasp the basics first before your assumptions about alleged illogicality in religious believers is assumed.

"The difference between us Webby, is that you can't identify with any belief system that isn't your own. "

Why would I identify with error?

Webby asked: Why would I identify with error?

Since I don’t know you personally I would assume that you have identified with error because you were born to parents who identified with the same error. Presumably you identified with that error as an expression of your love for them. If you were not born a Catholic you probably had an emotional experience that caused you to accept Catholicism. I doubt it was a rational choice.

Of course Christianity, like all other religions, was a human invention as is God. The Christians copied the pagan religions and invented a humanoid God in Jesus. The invisible God of the Jews did not have great appeal to the pagans. However, Christians incorporated the Jewish tribal legends along with the fairy tales of the New Testament to compose their Bible.

Due to an unfortunate event in history a Roman Emperor adopted Christianity. Although the Roman Empire disappeared as a political entity it has been preserved as a religious entity with the dioceses and bureaucracy of the Catholic Church that copies the administrative structure of the Roman Empire. Had Constantine not adopted Christianity the religion would either have disappeared or remained a minor sect.

The adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire was the beginning of the Dark Ages and the end of the spirit of free inquiry in the western world. Charles Freeman in "The Closing of the Western Mind" tells the story.

Constantine’s Sword by James Carroll, Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 2001, tells how the adoption of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire changed Christianity to a religion of war. James Carroll was a Catholic chaplain in the US army and started to question during the Vietnamese War. He is a friend of Jim Noonan, a Catholic peace activist, who introduced me to his writings.

The Conversion of Europe from Paganism to Christianity: 371-1386 by Richard Fletcher, London: Fontana (HarperCollins), 1998, is a tale of great violence. Ireland is the only country during that period which became Christian peacefully. Christians could freely murder to correct the sin of not being Christian.