You're right, Webby, I missed that line. Luckily you took the opportunity to:

a) argue that every rapist deserves to see his child borne by his victim, and...

b) reinforce that you are completely unelectable to anyone not living under Sharia law.

Go you!

Philo,
"I suggest you talk to any pregnant mother and ask are you carrying a baby or a call growth (not clusters of cells)."

Wouldn't the answer depend on whether the woman wanted a child? I think we often look at the fetus with the finished product in mind. To some that eventual baby will be the most cherished thing on earth and to others the most resented. I wouldn't impose a resented childhood on anyone.

"The ancients had no skills in abortion that would not also damage the mother..."

So does that mean they didn't try? There are plenty of botched cases in the modern era from backyard abortions, do we really want a return to that?

A question I do pose(not necessarily to Philo) is, if your particular deity granted the ability to perform abortions who are you to question that deity? Can you really be certain of their intent?
An omniscient deity would surely have known the future, and if it wasn't to their pleasing could easily shape that future. I doubt they would leave it up to the DLP.

David wrote: "All who oppose your ideas are not wrong. They merely differ."

Wrong David. To differ as to say on what is your favourite colour, or favorite make of car is OK and doesn't involve blurring truths.

I right like blue, you might like green. Ce la vie !
I might like Fords, you might like Holdens. Once again, ce la vie my friend.

But when dealing with issues of religion and of the actual official teachings that spring from them we are not dealing in favourite cars or colours.

In other words, one religion and its tenets is either absolutely right or wrong. All religions cannot be either equal as far as their truth claims. Only one can be right.
You are cherishing a false respect, a false peace if you will of people's comfort levels rather than seeking and finding truth. God in Christ made definite claims about Himself and passed this on directly to Apostles whose successors are with us today. Therefore, it is a sentimental,fuzzy worldview too commonly said like a mantra by many including yourself to say to put superficial resepct ahead of these truth claims rather than subordinate in all humility human thought to the claims made for examining and accepting truths.
The great man, whom sadly enough never got to meet Richard Gere and other Hollywooders, once said:
"Buddhism is not a creed, it is a doubt. "

G K Chesterton

Dear Webby,

Better intelligent doubt than stupid faith. Faith in the ridiculous promotes atrocity. There is no reason to accept what it says in your fairy tale book. In creating a humanoid God as Christianity did it merely reduced the pagan pantheon to one. If I worship anything it is the sanctity of doubt. Doubt and questioning is the beginning of knowledge. Blind faith is a continuation of stupidity.

Buddha said that one should question all that one is told even to his sayings. He recognised that he was living in a particular time and place and what he said might not be relevant for another time and place.

He made a lot more sense than belief in a virgin birth, salvation by accepting mumbo jumbo and all the other nonsense I think you believe in.

RELIGION, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable - Ambrose Bierce who I prefer to G. K. Chesterton

*You have your own dogmas.*

Not so Webby, because for me, all information is tentative and
I am free to change my mind, if the evidence changes. Unlike you,
who is kind of stuck with whatever pope is elected, even if the
man is a scoundrel and a deviant, or simply not the brightest. That is dogma for you!

So just to show you how unbiased I am, where I live, the moon is
fairly clear to see on most nights. If the 10 commandments appear
on its surface, for all to read and its mentioned that the old boy
thinks that the pope is a good fellow, I will take notice immediately!

On the other hand, if the writing is all in Arabic and mentions the
72 virgins, I will have to face my duty to keep so many girls
happy :)

So there is nothing dogmatic about my opinions Webby, just good
old reason and the ability to spot snake oil merchants like the
many churches, from a long way off.

Even-thou I have the power or thought to destroy religion, plus many others that has the insights we have grown to love and expect. We still have baby boots on. Smile. Religion will still be needed for a time too come, but not in todays political times.

I have been watching you all! and you all still cant work together! What a shame.

This makes EVO sad.

EVO2