You mean, Webby, that the nine-year-old girl isn't innocent? Little tart was just asking for it, was she?

Fractelle uses the deceitful arguement of the one in a thousand women who are raped and end up pregnant as justification to murder the other 999 unborn babies largely due to convenience. Unfortunately that is the way sick hearts justify their abhorrent behaviour. Renaming unborn children as a cluster of cells is typical of those that make up pseudo science to justify their pitiful view.

Sancho,

You need to read ALL of my post, particuarly the part of my post that said:
"The women are also innocent".
Duuuurrrr.

Sorry Runner, no babies or children involved in abortion, it
is you who are trying to reinvent language, to suit your dogma.

Unlike you Christians, I don't think that suffering is noble,
I'd prefer a world of less suffering.

If every child born was loved and wanted, the world would
be a better place.

But that goes over your head, your dogma dominates.

Last night I actually thought of you religious lot. They
screened the movie "Helter Skelter" about Charles Manson
and his cult. Those followers were as fanatical about
Manson, as are many Christian cults, about their religion.

It is sad really, that any kind of rational thought can
be thrown out the window, in the name of fanaticism.

It just seems to be, that this is how the mind works for
some. Fair enough, but still sad.

Australia has to import workers from the third world to maintain our young population of workers.
What a load of crap. Young people of yesteryear finnished school and entered the workforce. The selected few went on to uni.

Now they finnish school, go to tafe wasting more time and money,(that is if they don't excersize thier percived right to travel the world first), then enter a trainee ship only to find out they have to work in the real world, they then go to another job and another and eventually they drop out of the workforce and go back to tafe to be re-trained. Meanwhile we have a skill shortage and no compitent workers.

As for abortion. When a child is born and is recognised as being 9 months old, then I will consider it has been murdered when aborted, not before hand.

Sorry Yabby, everything you are saying about Christians and even rational and good natured non-Christians who cherish the natural law ( ie knowing right from wrong as imprinted in all our natures and which they are co=operating with)is the opposite of truth. Yabby you are in denial about the very basics and so your philosophy flounders immediately. You are projecting all your own problem beleif issues onto Runner and Christians and even rational non-Christians for that matter. You have your own dogmas. Now dogma isn't a dirty word Yabby and we all live by them; problem is though- you live by the wrong dogmas. Now for two two quotes if I may from the master of common-sense:( the first one is especially for you Yabby as you are being described):

"We call a man a bigot or a slave of dogma because he is a thinker who has thought thoroughly and to a definite end."
Gilbert K. Chesterton

"A teacher who is not dogmatic is simply a teacher who is not teaching. " Gilbert K. Chesterto