Webby wrote: “It is great being a Catholic because I feel comfortable in experiencing feelings of pain and distress at hearing about abortion. It is proof of being alive.”

Apparently you felt great about condemning those who considered the pregnant nine year old child’s life and future and saw that she had an abortion.

In March 1095, Pope Urban II gave a sermon including:
“I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.”

The Crusaders rampaged their way across Europe massacring Jews and even Orthodox Christians when they sacked Constantinople. They drowned Jerusalem in a sea of blood.

I feel great pain and distress reading about it.

On October 16, 1943 a mass huntdown of Rome's Jews was carried out by German forces, who under Kappler and Dannecker's orders made house-to-house searches on every street, and arrested all the Jews - men, women, and children. The Pope was requested publicly to denounce the hunt for Jews, but he did not respond.

I feel great pain and distress reading about it.

Among the many other instances of the Catholic Church’s complicity in murder and silence in the face of evil there is the torture and burning people alive in the Inquisition.

It is sheer hypocrisy for a Catholic to complain about a culture of death when their church is a prominent part of that culture.

I don’t attack you as an individual as you have attacked me. I realise that you have been brainwashed by an evil church but also recognize that you are a fellow human being.

Being a Catholic is normal and rational if one’s reason considers other humans as worthless and excuses the crimes of the Catholic Church.

It's good of Webby to demonstrate that the Democratic Labor Party is actually the Theocratic Catholic Party. Now we know who to put behind the shooting and fishing parties on the ballot.

We've had abortion in Australia for over 30 years. God seems to be a bit behind in his punishing. I suppose he has to get to all the masturbators and unwed mothers first.

And Belloc's Daughter, if you believe "that you can't kill people to solve your problems", I assume you're fully opposed to the Iraq war?

Whether you call yourself catholic, protestant, agnostic, happy clappy or god hater murder is still murder, divorce is still divorce, formication is still fornication. Their is no doubt the Catholic church along with other churches have murdered people. The very fact that atheist, god haters, god deniers, earth worshipers sprout their own dogmas and mantras shows they believe in absolutes. Davidf's selective recall of history (albiet true) ignores the fact that more children have been murdered in the name of 'rights' than by all the religous wars put together. He is unable to acknowledge the moral bankruptcy of his own arguement. His only comfort seems to be that the Catholic church along with others have done despicable things even by earth worshipers standards or non standards.

Quiet please! For convenience, will everyone please slot themselves into the categories created by runner.

If you're unsure whether you're a god hater or a god denier, please take a pamphlet from the rack and fill out the questionnaire. Earth worshippers will need to wash their hands first, unless you are sprouting dogmas, in which case you'll need more potting mix.

*Our bodies arise at the final judgment*

Not so Webby, what we can show is that bodies land
up being recycled, earth to earth, dust to dust, new
plants grow etc. We have evidence for that. For the
rest there is no evidence, just speculation and hope.

Your church will of course sell you a ticket to heaven,
any other organisation who sold what they cannot
prove, would be in front of the courts for defrauding
consumers. But as my old uncle used to say "for every
fool that dies, another ten are born" Very true.

No babies or children are involved in abortion, just
some fetuses.

But then as we know from evolution theory, the number
of potential beings of any species is near limitless
and only some can survive.

Sperms are beings, they are human too. How many have
you flushed down the toilet in your lifetime Webby?

Well put Sancho.

There is no such thing as a God hater. From the atheist viewpoint,
how can you hate something that does not exist?

As for earth worshippers - if there is indeed a God as described by mainstream Christians - I would imagine that he/she would be an earth worshipper. If you create something I would imagine you would not want it ruined by human greed and excesses.