Once again, exactly as I say

Like did Mr Plod or the magistrate even ALLOW the poor old ragarse victim in the Mall to make a case based upon an artistic view of older men [American Beauty facsimile] having fantasy with young girls, to make up for them never having got their wild oats when they were kids [the case with just about any Catholic "brought up" lad]

Both of you are ACCEPTING the SNAG persona upon yourselves, but worse still visiting it upon others because of your softcock

and Greer "losing it" - like man IF you want to understand feminism in its various forms then read from a TRUE feminist, not Greer

Helen Garner book "the First Stone" will explain how it all works, especially those "innocent" little gals in the Mall who want the law to say that no evidence of the clothing worn [if ANY] by the gal alleging the attack is to be deposed to the court, once she makes her false accusation

DD: "Like did Mr Plod or the magistrate even ALLOW the poor old ragarse victim in the Mall to make a case based upon an artistic view of older men [American Beauty facsimile] having fantasy with young girls, to make up for them never having got their wild oats when they were kids [the case with just about any Catholic "brought up" lad]"

So that would be a defence for some old perv lurking around a bunch of vulnerable kids, trying to snap some illicit shots of inadvertently flashed panties? Am I alone in finding such a notion just a bit worrisome?

I have daughters, and the thought that there are men around who find this kind of behaviour defensible appalls me.

My point was not whether or not Greer has 'lost it' or whether she is a real feminist or not - my point was that a woman, any woman, can talk like this not only with impunity but with someone actually producing a doco about their views whereas if a man carried on like this they certainly wouldnt find a producer and would most certainly find themselves in court - that is the double standard.

SNAG: I have daughters, and the thought that there are men around who find this kind of behaviour defensible appalls me.

DD: Have any sons mate?

Rob, if your stomach can cope follow the links to the other books. I did not go far but one other appears to be a book of photo's by a male photographer of boys and seemingly celebrating the same stuff Greer celebrates. Others appear to be books about boys and again with what appears from the reviews to be an adult interest in their sexuality - a male auther. You may be right that if the author was a famous straight male the outcry could be much bigger.

DD, I've got a son and if Greer or somebody else was hanging around snapping covert shots photo's of his undies (while he was wearing them) I'd want them arrested.

It's not a gender issue, it's an issue that some people choose not to control their behaviour or interests.

R0bert

Good point, Robert.

DD, yes - I have a 16 y.o. son who is happy, well-adjusted and respects people regardless of their gender. He has a lovely girlfriend with whom he is quite besotted. I'm quite sure he would have absolutely no respect for some old creep who tried to furtively snap some illicit photos up her skirt.

If you think that such behaviour is acceptable, then I suggest that you need professional help.