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An Aboriginal Nation state

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ASymeonakis, “BOAZ_David open your eyes, and be honest, brave and fair.”

I wonder how you can possibly make that request of someone else when we see deception and duplicity in every one of your posts on this thread.

Foxy “Management takes care of the first, Leadership the second.
And not all Managers are Leaders, as we all know.”

Absolutely, however, I leave the management and leadership to others who simply pay me for my expertise.

They can take my advise or not, up to them but since they value it highly and pay for it appropriately, following it is their natural response.

For my part, it has nothing to do with “Managing” or “Leading”.

It is about not suffering fools, unless I am getting paid by them.

Foxy “You take it easy now.”

I always do Foxy, I always do.

ASymeonakis “He did not write Anglo-Saxon/Celts”

“Angles” integrated across the British isles, mixing with Saxons, Celts and Scots… indeed my daughters are ¼ Celt through their maternal grandfather and mostly mongrel from my side, with a bit of Jew thrown in from my great-great grandmothers.

“and we Anglo's could go on celebrating Australia Day on the 26th. Everybodies happy, right?" He did not write Anglo-Saxon/Celts”

I would put money, if TRUTHNOW78 were to return to the thread he would confirm, his “Anglos” was intended to represent anyone from Great Britain.

“why you put the Irish to your side. Are they with british monarchy? Are they Agglican Christians?”

The Southern states of Ireland became “Eire” in 1921. The Northern states of Ireland still remain part of the United Kingdom as defined by the act of Union 1800 but were under the British Monarchs for centuries before that time. Indeed William III (William of Orange) is revered for his role in the battle of the Boyne in 1690 and prior to him, the Lord Protector, Oliver Cromwell, was obsessed by enforcing his rule over the Celts back in 1650’s.

Including the Irish is appropriate, especially as they were well represented among the first “Australians”,

regardless what you might think.
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 29 January 2009 10:53:10 PM
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Come surely others have noticed?
The differences in AS posts in this thread alone.
Spelling presentation composition is so very different post to post.
Now yes it is the pot calling the kettle black coming from me.
But are we having our legs pulled?
A thread started by a troll, surely most agree?
Now diverted into an active thread about Australia.
And some of us cringe in the corner red faced that some of us should commit the great sin.
Defend our country from unfair criticisms.
Yes I understand no country is perfect, that we always will need to improve.
While I do not agree with Banjo that we should not use Multi Culturism I do agree with some.
Nothing ,surely is wrong with asking newcomers to respect our culture, no I am not asking for turning a blind eye to our wrongs.
AS in early shouted statements use untruths to try to prove his point.
Are you having us on bloke?
Posted by Belly, Friday, 30 January 2009 5:36:08 AM
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Belly ,
He i_s a bit of a lad that AS !

And what a great pot of facts and figures to inform us .

To A Symeonakis,
Keep on keeping 'em honest! They are struggling allready .
Posted by kartiya jim, Friday, 30 January 2009 8:16:43 AM
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Col Rouge claimed he’s paid to be abrasive is he a shock Jock or just an appalling, out of date manager. Obviously he hasn’t upgraded his management skills knowledge base recently. In both my business degree (20years ago) and my Advance Diploma (7 years ago) the theory and practice (30 yrs) contradicts his stance on (abrasive) management and priorities.

Notwithstanding He seems to assume he has the right (?) to be abrasive (rude/intolerant) …wrong! this is a social setting, good manners apply.

His web source? I recommend you read it makes a mockery of his stance.
• It is outdated (population 18 million +) the rest were projections
• The methodology works on amongst many things, name origins?
• Splits people into genetic divisions e.g. ¼ English, ¼ Lebanese, ¼ Chinese, and ¼ Swiss. This says nothing about home culture which affects attitudes/mores etc. Given we're talking societal not genetic home/self definition is more relevant see Aust Census stats approach.
• The also used death certificates. Consider me I was born to a Latvian mother, (?)father. Adopted by a Scot born here and a ½ Aussie and ½ NZer. My death cert (when it comes) will reflect the adopted bit. I’m not alone in this academic (genetic?) mish-mash definition. BTW I answered Aussie to the census to both my and parent origin.
• It’s a pity he didn’t read the conclusion it states
“Truly Australia, in ethnic terms, (is) a most fascinating multicultural nation. To be a peaceful, progressive society however it is important that EVERY (my emphasis) Australian try to show real understanding and tolerance to fellow Australians with different ancestries to their own”

Hardly what he’s doing by advocating British supremacy.
“Hoisted on his own petard”…

BTW Aust wast claimed in the name of the king and England…GB was later.
(culturally/linguistically they’re different) Ergo, Scots, Welsh, Irish (Sthn Irish?) are out.

Despite his back down qualification.
He was/is consistent with his reliance on bullying tactics and selected out of context facts his debates/analyses are poor certainly not to the educational level he claims. AS one CR nil
Posted by examinator, Friday, 30 January 2009 11:07:21 AM
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Col Rouge has told us he’s paid to be abrasive is he a shock Jock or just an appalling,out of date manager. Obviously he hasn’t upgraded his management skills knowledge base recently. In both my business degree (20years ago) and my Advance Diploma (7 years ago) the theory and practice (30 yrs) contradicts his stance on (abrasive) management and priorities.

Notwithstanding He seems to assume he has the right (?) to be abrasive (rude here) …wrong this is a social setting, good manners apply.

To his web source, I recommend you read it too makes a mockery of his stance.
• It is outdated (population 18 million +) the rest were projections
• The methodology works on amongst many things, name origins?
• Splits people into genetic divisions e.g. ¼ English, ¼ Lebanese, ¼ Chinese, and ¼ Swiss. This says nothing about home culture which affects attitudes/mores etc. Given we're talking societal not genetic home/self definition is more relevant see Aust Census stats approach.
• The also used death certificates. Consider me I was born to a Latvian mother, (?)father. Adopted by a Scot born here and a ½ Aussie and ½ NZer. My death cert (when it comes) will reflect the adopted bit. I’m not alone in this academic (genetic?) mish-mash definition. BTW I answered Aussie to the census to both my and parent origin.
• It’s a pity he didn’t read the conclusion it states
“Truly Australia, in ethnic terms, (is) a most fascinating multicultural nation. To be a peaceful, progressive society however it is important that EVERY (my emphasis) Australian try to show real understanding and tolerance to fellow Australians with different ancestries to their own”

Hardly what he’s doing by advocating British supremacy.
“Hoisted on his own petard”…

BTW Aust wast claimed in the name of the king and England…GB was later.
(culturally/linguistically they’re different) Ergo, Scots, Welsh, Irish (Sthn Irish?) are out.

Despite his current assertions a later introduced qualification.
He was/is consistent with his reliance on bullying tactics his debates/analysis are poor certainly not to the educational level he claims. One to AS.
Posted by examinator, Friday, 30 January 2009 11:08:14 AM
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Examinator “In both my business degree (20years ago) and my Advance Diploma (7 years ago) the theory and practice (30 yrs) contradicts his stance on (abrasive) management and priorities.”

Whoopee doo and good for you

Regardless of you opinion, for which I would not give a rats, all I can say is

It works for me and the client companies who employ me.

As for what you do with your paper wall-hangings,

They make no difference to me

I do not care, many of of those “diplomas”, I could buy off the net or get by simply paying a fee based on my existing accreditations.

As for “Given we're talking societal not genetic home/self definition”

Actually, I would suggest most “societal” definitions conform closely with “genetic home/self” definitions.

Bearing in mind posting limits, I took the first responses from google, a university source which arrayed data in a “genetic” and understandable manner and assumed it is appropriate to this “opinion forum”.

Regarding “try to show real understanding and tolerance to fellow Australians with different ancestries to their own””

As I have already said
“I personally could not give a rats, where someone comes from, never have. I only care that they are required to jump over the same hurdles as I had to, excepting refugees and family reunion,…”
“And we will end up with a lot of “Coffee coloured Australians”

Personally, being a Brit…... They are the Coffee-coloured people of a millennium ago, (except more latte than expresso)”

“He was/is consistent with his reliance on bullying tactics his debates/analysis are poor certainly not to the educational level he claims. “

I do not acknowledge your your arrogant, errant and pompous judgment of me or my qualifications..

All you have done is write a lot of words but advanced the debate not one inch further,
which will probably end up like a suitable epitaph for you.

“Here Lies Examinator,
he did try to achieve.
But despite the best laid plans of mice and men
(and Examinator was a mouse among men),
Whilst most found him “trying”
None could recall any achievements”
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 30 January 2009 3:46:02 PM
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