Why shouldn't we set up an Aboriginal State in the North of the continent, totally seperate from the Australian government. It could be run by Aboriginals alone with it's own military, economy and culture. They would have plenty of resources, and we Anglo's could go on celebrating Australia Day on the 26th. Everybodies happy, right?

It's the least we could do for the Aboriginals.

Good idea, then we can re-establish customs and migration points.

I know the Scots wanted to devolve from England but even with North Sea oil revenues, they were still being subsidised by them southerners, who would be happy not to pay for "Highland Flings".

So a Northern Aboriginal State,

Fine... except they must be self-funding and not an economic burden of the south.

But what will happen is one of two things

1 the North will seek investment and management expertise and the whole thing will revert to how we are today

or

2 A 'Mugabe' will float to the top, refuse "white" expertise" and run the place into the ground.

Yep, ditto on Rouge.

TRUTH..... a few problems.

1/ Such an act would not solve the issue for Aboriginals who have a sense of connection to southern lands.

2/ Any such independant government would make unsavory alliances with unfriendly powers to get more power themselves.

and that's the truth :)

Another troll from TRUTHNOW78, and look who's risen most readily to the bait. What's the bet that's the last we hear from the thread originator - until the next one?

Boazypork - still using your sock puppet to flout your suspension, I see.

TRUTHNOW78,wrote "we Anglo's could go on celebrating Australia Day on the 26th. Everybodies happy, right? "
What about the non Anglo Australians?.
Do not you know that about half population of Australia is non anglo?
IT IS A BIG MISTAKE TO IGNORE THE HALF POPULATION OF AUSTRALIA BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ANGLO!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Antonios Symeonakis “Do not you know that about half population of Australia is non anglo?
IT IS A BIG MISTAKE TO IGNORE THE HALF POPULATION OF AUSTRALIA BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ANGLO!”

You will find the origins of a lot more than half the population of Australia are of Anglo Saxon / Celtic stock regardless they are immigrants, like me or 5th generation Aussies.

And for someone who needs to descend to lies to make a point and who clearly has a pathological hate of Anglo-Saxons, based on your continual objections to our presence in Australia, I want to ask 2 questions

1 why did you come to live in a country predominantly populated by Anglo-Saxon/Celts in the first place?

2 If you find it so hard to a accept the pre-eminence of Anglo-Saxon / Celtic culture, institutions and people here, why do you not (as Peter Costello suggested a year or two back) bugger off back to whatever pesthole it is you originated from?

I am sure there are some nice Greek girls left on the shores of the Aegean and whilst I have known a few (in the biblical sense) I have not known them all, so they will not realize what they are missing out on and you might still stand a chance.

The self loathing whites dressed in suites who champion the feral lifestyle are more of a problem than the aboriginals. It was the likes of Gough Whitlam who insisted on their 'rights' to grog that has led to the destruction lives more than anything else. Free pay each fortnight has destroyed many blacks and whites who have lost any self respect. Creating aboriginal industries has also prevented many who are willing to work from getting real jobs. Those who continue to perpetuate myths about massacres and stolen generations also don't help. If we were continually sold the victim mentality we would be in the same position as the first people.

Dear Antonios,

Until the 1970s, the 'White Australia Policy' did
restrict immigration from non-European countries.

However, as we all know things have changed greatly
since then and we now have a greater diversity of
people.

'vive la difference.'

The top five languages spoken at home (other than English)
are - Italian, Greek, Cantonese, Arabic and Mandarin.

And, England, New Zealand, China, Italy and Vietnam were
the top five countries of birth other than Australian,
in the 2006 Census.

It's the people with tender hearts and positive
attitudes that are the 'plus' people in the world.
They are the ones that bring about changes for the better.

I wonder if the apparent naivety of this question to the reality of the composition of the Aboriginal nations isn’t a rouse and if all thus far but CJ aren’t either closet members of the JBM Herzog fan club or the reforming rump of the Nasionale Party what’s next Bantustans

I think Australia Day should be whatever date in the future that Australia becomes a Republic. In the United States Columbus Day has been downgraded because of the feeling of US aboriginal people, and the same thing should happen to Australia Day.

An Aboriginal Territory need not be completely independent but could be an autonomous electoral district analogous to Nunavut in Canada set up in 1993 for and largely administered by the Inuit population. It has worked out quite well.

They could, if they wished, get rid of the religion pushed on them by missionaries.

ASymeonakis, why do you hate Anglos so much?

If not for them, Greece would still be occupied by Italian troops.

I suppose that you're jealous that your homeland has been on history's sidelines for over 2000 years.

Australia has an Anglo/Celtic heritage that has developed into the Aussie character. If you don't like it, slink off back to Greece.

Actually Antonios...that's not quite true. (half the population)

But your attack raises the obvious question...

Why would Anglo's allow Southern European migrants to enter this country if ONE DAY (like today) they (you) start telling us we no longer have a SAY about where the country goes or what it remembers?

I'd say.. pull your boof head IN.. and just remember that we (ANGLOS) allowed.. repeat ALLOWED you mob to come here.. but remember this also.. we did NOT allow you to come here to you can spit in our faces!

You certainly prove one thing though..that allowing non core migrant racial stock into the country results in dills like you declaring that Australia is now under 'NEW management'.....right?

Well.. don't be surprised if there is a bit of a 'Cronulla like' reaction to that idea if it is pushed too hard.

You are (like all who think like you) most welcome to get back on the plane or boat which brought you here and stay out of the country, where you can yell and scream and rant and rave to your OWN ethnic cousins about what they should and should not remember or do or not do. (because it appears you have not yet embraced the idea of 'Australian' identity)
SIMPLE.

Poor Antonios, all you did was ask, 'What about the
non-Anglo population that currently makes up Australia
in regards to Australia Day?"

And you got such a nasty reaction.

It really bothers me because such intense vilification
happened in the past, and it seems that some are more
that prepared to inflict it again. This tells me that
there is a serious problem,
something unreconciled and unresolved
in some people's psyche.

We've seen it all before historically, when the DP's
(Displaced Persons) arrived after World War 2, then the
post war European migrants, then the Vietnamese refugees,
and so on. The implication is that somehow its OK to
vilify people, and that those like yourself, whose English
they don't understand are whingers. They even suggest that
you should go back to where you came from.

Ignore them Antonios. Don't react.
They are the ones with a serious problem.

Speaking personally, I do accept Antonios Symeonakis limited comprehension of English and do apply wide latitude to it, as I have observed most other posters do.

However, what I do not give latitude to is when someone makes a wholly unreasonable claim to represent half the population of Australia, despite such claims being patently absurd.

So Foxy your comment:
“Ignore them Antonios. Don't react.
They are the ones with a serious problem.”

Is seriously out of line.

I suggest you leave playing mother hen back in the chook house, there is no place here for such sentimentality.

Maybe Antonios can respond directly to the quite reasonable challenges to his outrageous assertions, like a man, rather than hide behind the proffered wing feathers, in the style of a woosie.

AS give it a break mate!
The thread was started to get people talking about some Aboriginals not wanting to have an Australia day.
You use figures that are clearly untrue to push your wagon.
While we do have descendants of migrants from every country in the world we are not half migrants.
My family has people who's roots are from most of Europe, none would not call themselves Australian.
I just do not understand what you want from this country?
Truly I am baffled by your constant complaints about us, yes you are clearly a worker and a unionist ,but my young days as Socialist saw me claim we are all equal.
Australia day is for every one, yes you too, if you do not want to celebrate it no complaints from me, but go easy on us mate you must have liked us once, you came to live with us.

Antonios,
Foxy is offering sound advice, you are trying to discuss with individuals who don't want to discuss only convert to their limited (brutish)view of the world.

Davidf,
As I said in my first post the question shows an incredible ignorance of the fact that the aboriginals aren't one single nation/clan “they are many and from all the continent they come”.(excuse me altering the ad.)
To now suggest shoving then all these different groups into existing aboriginal groups’ territories is nothing short of insane and absurdly unworkable. Their cultures, ability to survive off the land would be compromised.

I think the question seems typical of the ignorance of the whites else where. Create a problem then suggest various forms of Apartheid (Herzog reference) to wash their hands of it.

Foxy and others
On TV there was doco about Okinawan Japanese an how in their traditional environment they are one of the longest living/healthiest groups in the world 100+year are common. The compared that to 2nd generation Okinawans living on 1st world diets they have the most modern world disease prone Japanese, the most obese, diabetes, high blood pressure etc. The scientist concluded that their baby boomers are likely to be the last generation that can expect not to out live their children. He also concluded that their traditional diet had evolved genes that were set to cope with major food (caloric) fluctuations/deprivations droughts and other natural catastophies.

I wonder if this gene setting would help to explain similar susceptibility in aborigines?

I have photos taken of tribal and station aboriginals around 1900s and have researched as best I can on other photographic sources (net museums etc) of the time and I’ve yet to see pictures of obese aborigines. Yet there are photos of fat/obese whites. This is not absolute proof I think it’s prima facie what do you think ?

Part one

Col Rouge, Austin Powerless, BOAZ_David, Belly, runner.
I understand you but I disagree with you.
1.I do not hate Australia as you think, but I feel sory for you because you avoid to see the Australian reality, because you afraid to open your eyes and see the Australian reality, because you reject the Australian reality and with your behave you damaged the Australia, you create problems to Australia ALTHOUGT, I AM SURE, YOU LOVE THE AUSTRALIA VERY MUCH!.
Instead to hate, or threaten me I ask to you to listem me, to try to understand what I want to tell you, I know that my english are not good but PLEASE try to understand me, may be then you will agree with me.
2. I understand you, it is your love for Australia, it is your worries for the future of Australia, it is the huge changes in Australia in so sort time. About 60-70 years before all non Anglo-SaxonS blocked to become Australian citizens, and last years Australia is full from non anglo-saxon citizens, and now you are going to lose your Queen and even worst now you have some bastards like ASymeonakis who always asks for more and more non anglo-saxon rights, for migrants rights, for... for..
I understand you, if the bastard non anglo-saxon Australians wants, what they want now, what will hapen tomorrow when they will be much more and you will be much less, and they will be much more because every year come many, many thousands from them and even worst because they make much more children. "my god, how many children have each family! are they women or rabit?"
I UNDERSTAND YOUR WORRIES OK?
NOW LISTEN TO ME!

Antonios Symeonakis
An other Australian
CONTINUE

PART TWO

The Greeks, Italians, Germans, Russians, Chinese, Indian, Sudanese, Pakistanes, and much, much more are here, in Australia and they are Australian citizens, and they have milion of votes and no one political party, which want to become government, can ignore their rights, their dreams, their thoughts.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I SAY TO YOU? THE NON ANGLO SAXON ARE HERE, IN, THEY ARE AUSTRALIAN CITIZENS, THEY HAVE POLITICAL POWER OF CAUSE THEIR VOTES.
When you realise it I am sure you will change behave to us (non anglo-saxon), then you will forget the Anglo and you will speak for Australians!

I am sure you love Australia, I am sure you will love and care for your children, grand-children etc.
Tell me when will be better for your children, grand-children etc when they fight with the children from non Anglo-Saxon or when they live peacefull with the non Anglo-saxon children and understand, and cooperate and support each other?
Who tell you that my grand children, etc will not be your grand children too?
We, as Australians, have to solve so many and so big real problems and we fight each other for Australians and Non Australians?
Are we crazy?
You started first, you wrote for one aborigenes and one ANGLO state. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THAT THERE ARE THE NON ANGLO-SAXON TOO.
YOU CAN NOT IGNORE US (NON ANGLO-SAXON).
I am sory but if I think I have to fight you I will do, but I know that it better the cooperation and mutual benefits, I PREFER IT!
Antonios Symeonakis
An other Australian

Col Rouge,

All I said was:

"Ignore them Antonios. Don't react.
They are the ones with a serious problem."

And you accused me of being "seriously out of line."

Kindly take a look Sir at what you said to Antonios,
which prompted my jumping to his defense, because I
did not want him to think that we're all ill-mannered
on this Forum.

You stated:

"Why do you not (as Peter Costello suggested a year or two
back) bugger off back to whatever pesthole it is you
originated from?"

And:

"I am sure there are some nice Greek girls left on the shores
of the Aegean and whilst I have known a few (in the biblical
sense). I have not known them all, so they will not realize what
they are missing out on and you might still stand a chance."

Not only seriously out of line, but rude, vicious, and
ill-bred.

I simply cannot understand why you have to
stoop to those tactics. Don't you realize that it demeans
you and not the person you're vilifying?

Why do it?

Dear examinator,

I missed the program on the Okinawan Japanese.
My mother watched it and said it was
excellent. The 'gene' factor sounds
interesting regarding the Aborigines.

You've got photographs going back to the 1900s?
You really are a multi-faceted individual.
(sigh).

Examinator: To now suggest shoving then all these different groups into existing aboriginal groups’ territories is nothing short of insane and absurdly unworkable. Their cultures, ability to survive off the land would be compromised.

Dear Examinator,

Sure that would insane and unworkable. You are arguing against something that nobody suggested. Nunavut is an autonomous area in Canada for the Inuit. Nobody has been shoved there. The people living there are those that have previously been living there, but now they have control of their own territory. Inuit who were not living in that area can stay where they are.

Foxy,
This is off topic but
Yes I do from my now deceased Granny (my adopted mum’s side)
She when a small child she went to a station 3weeks by bullock dray
North of Bourke in 1900. The station was over the Qld border in that her younger sister was raised until early teenage years there their dad was the manager. I knew both they were like chalk and cheese. She left us a bunch of photos of the people of that time.

Mum and I have offered them to the Qld museum for their 150 anniversary mum is doing the provenance as I write. They tell us that these are the only info they have of that area.

Gran was a no nonsense laconic doer woman who was deserted with 6 children during the depression she had it mega tough.

Oddly enough she had a heart of solid gold. When she died two Melbourne suburban mayors and wives and the boards of three hospitals (P.A.N.C.H., Children’s hospital, and Maroondah) and auxiliaries were well represented over 300 people. It was said by one auxiliary president that she in her gruff way one year raised more for the hospital than the rest of the auxiliary...by making jam which they sold. I remember one time counting over 2000 bottles of assorted jams along the back closed in area of our house. They say she paid for a lung machine virtually on her own. I remember her bullying the local small traders into donating what she needed. Both the green grocer end the local mini supermarket attended closing their shops in respect. She was a much loved character.
I remember her with extraordinary fondness she is/was my community involvement role model

David and Col,
True to form ,you have a problem with true Aboriginal Economic
Independence.

Your old insecurities rise to the surface again .

Just like the Victorian Gippsland white farmers in the late 1800's who didn't like Aboriginal Mission farm workers on Corranderk and Lake Tyres competing with white farmers producing small crops .

C J Morgan in his first post was right.
The thread was never about Aboriginal self government, it was an attempt to get people to say negative things about Aboriginals.
Now for AS, I too Foxy, while not in the way Col Rouge did, differed with AS, I always will.
Proudly I am from the left, not the extremist left.
Forget the spelling, although at times it is perfect others not so ,it is the content I differ with.
Why do we Australians so very often Cringe when people stand up for our country?
Why do we so very often hear those who find fault but not those who defend our country?
Australia in my view is a multi cultural country, mostly a very open one.
Yes we fear minority's from within minority's who are seemingly a problem.
But Greeks are numerous in this country, built some of it, seem to be great migrants.
Find me one post.
One single post.
From AS that did not complain about Australia.
Find me one post that does not tell of a home amung the extreme left, far far left for AS.
I am sure he is not a bad person but while not in favor of American style jingoism surely we can defend our country>?
The thread would have died without your input AS may I ask that you not shout?
It is the content of your words not the noise level that I here.

Davidf,
Thank you for the information about the inuit territory.
What truthnow78 was suggesting wasn't suggesting a nation state for just the Northern Land Council tribes/clans alone they were talking about one for ALL aboriginals. Hence the army etc. This is not the same as the inuit or US indian reservations. The legal precedent that would set would be unmanagable. We would finish up with Apatheid style homelands. Like I said the idea is ether preposterous or so naive as to be laughable. Given the supporters I'd bet on the former.

AS “but I feel sorry for you because you avoid to see the Australian reality,”
Save your pity and “Australian Reality”.
http://elecpress.monash.edu.au/pnp/free/pnpv7n4/v7n4_3price.pdf
Anglo-Celtic 69.88%
North/West European 6.88%
Southern European 6.36%
Eastern European 4.36%
West Asian / North African 2.46%
South, North and SE Asian 6.60%
Aborginal 1.51%

The rest… check the website

“Australia is full from non anglo-saxon citizens,”
Complete GARBAGE

“and they have milion of votes” So what, that is a small minority compared to the number of Anglo/Celtic Voters

I cannot find details of the Australian electorate by ethnic origin but I would speculate, them pesky Anglo-Celts will exceed to 69.88% they represent in population terms.

I personally could not give a rats, where someone comes from, never have. I only care that they are required to jump over the same hurdles as I had to, excepting refugees and family reunion, who are accepted on a different standard to the non-refugee, non family reunion migrants.

One of the great things about Australia is our multi-cultural origins but understand this, multi-cultural identities will meld into an Australian identity within a few generations. Grand children will not retain the original language of their grand parents, customs of the homeland will be lost and forgotten. The Australian way of life will prevail over the historic practices still pursued in some village in either darkest Africa of Bonnie Scotland.

Multi-culturism is just a stepping stone along the path of assimilation.

The line of an old song, “there are a lot of coffee coloured people in Brazil”

The result of mixed races

One day, in Australia the regressive genes which produce red hair and blue eyes will cease to be.
The customs and practices of Africa, like female circumcision will be abandoned (particularly as it is illegal in Australia)

And we will end up with a lot of “Coffee coloured Australians”

Personally, being a Brit, I am used to that concept, after all, “Anglo-Saxons” are neither “Angles” nor “Saxons”, nor Normans, Romans Celts or Ancient Britons. They are the Coffee-coloured people of a millennium ago, (except more latte than expresso

Foxy “"Why do you not (as Peter Costello suggested a year or two
back) bugger off back to whatever pesthole it is you
originated from?"”

Yes, that is perfectly reasonable suggestion for someone who is patently extremely intolerant of the vast majority of Australians who are of British lineage and who perverts statistics to aggrandize his position.

“I simply cannot understand why you have to
stoop to those tactics.”

It might be that I find it unacceptable when someone who comes to the forum and espouses anti-Australian rhetoric, supported by lies and accompanied by unjustified criticism of Australia’s institutions (including the date of the National Day).

Actions which, when he is obviously dissatisfied with the ways of Australia, warrants being offered the best advise.

That is, they can either put up or ship out.

Alternatively it might be that

I get a kinky pleasure out of being admonished by you

Kartiya Jim “David and Col,
True to form ,you have a problem with true Aboriginal Economic
Independence.
Your old insecurities rise to the surface again .”

Insecurities? Not at all

Aboriginals represent to me what they represent in the count of the national populations, that is 1.51% - to be honest.. they are insignificant, especially when that number includes a lot of people who are, by inherited blood line, more Anglo-Celt than aboriginal.

The part I do not understand is why do we exhaust so much of the community’s resources in pandering to the insignificant?

Col the Troll: << Aboriginals represent to me what they represent in the count of the national populations, that is 1.51% - to be honest.. they are insignificant >>

Just about says it all really - at least about Col.

It seems that we in Australia are terribly touchy and
thin-skinned on the subject of any criticism.

I can understand the point of view that unloving
criticism is a shove and a put down, and will often be
met with anger and an equal and opposite reaction.

But unless we all learn to tone down what we have to say,
we're not likely to be in a position to have something
worth saying, especially if our agenda becomes hostile.

Dear Belly,

I jumped in to defend Antonios, because of the ill-mannered
way in which he was personally attacked.

Dear Col,

An intelligent man such as yourself could have handled the
matter in a different less abrasive way.

Dear examinator,

Thank You for the history of your gran. She sounds like a
remarkable woman. We've also got a relative in our family
of the same ilk. She's still alive (almost ninety). She
was made a Governor of Mount Royal Geriatric Hospital (now
closed), for her dedicated service to working with the aged
for over 30 years. She was a nurse, and for her it was a
labour of love.

As for the question of Australia's native people, as historian
Henry Reynolds states in his book, "Why weren't we told?":

"It is now possible to explore the past by means of large
numbers of books, articles, films, novels, songs and
paintings. Many voices have filled out the space once
claimed by Stanner's Great Australian Silence. We can know
a great deal about the history of indigenous-settler relations.
But knowing brings burdens which can be shirked by those
living in ignorance. With knowledge the question is no
longer what we know but what we are now to do, and that is
a much harder matter to deal with. It will continue to
perplex us for many years to come..."

This was tried by the apartheid state in South Africa.

It is not likely to get much support.

'This was tried by the apartheid state in South Africa.'

As bad as SA was under apartheid many of the coloured people know that they were better off than they are now

Thanks for the Australian Reality figures Col.

Let's see what Antonios makes of them. Probably he will be in denial, just as he was a few months ago when his whinge was that there were no non-Anglo street names in Adelaide and its suburbs. When referred to the UBD as proof against his claims, he disappeared to start another Anglo-bashing thread.

Although an immigrant myself, I get sick of new arrivals running down this land and its culture. At 69.88% Anglo-Celtic roots, no-one can seriously think that our culture is not based on Anglo-Celtic values.

Dear Antonios.....you said (yelled :)

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I SAY TO YOU? THE NON ANGLO SAXON ARE HERE, IN, THEY ARE AUSTRALIAN CITIZENS, THEY HAVE POLITICAL POWER OF CAUSE THEIR VOTES.

The only political power people of different ethnic backgrounds should have.. is for non raced based POLICIES not for RACES..because 'that' would be racist..wouldn't it?

yes.. we very much understand you... clearly...

but I think you misunderstand us. still.

All we want is for people to see themselves as AUSTRALIANs first......that's all.

The problems come when people start coming to Australia and saying "I'm proud to be GREEEK" or.. name the ethnic group.

If people come here and want to stay something OTHER THAN 'Australian'....then they should go back to where every one else IS like that.

But here.. we are Aussies. We are not 'Greek'Aussies.. Chinese Aussies, Irish Aussies, English Aussies.. Lebanese Aussies..Italian Aussies...

We we ARE are 'people'...who happen to come from different backgrounds...but we come HERE.. to embrace being "Australian" first.

Anyone who differs in this can get OUT quick smart :)as far as I'm concerned.

Once we stop emphasizing our ETHNIC background.. and start emphasizing our PEOPLE/HUMAN background.. we will all join together as happy little vegemites :) intermarry and have a good country.

The new citizenship test will be: "eat one slice of damper, with vegemite on it..without chucking" Pass that..and ur home and hosed mate.
Oh..I forgot..the "English" test will be "G'day mate"... there you go...not so hard to be Aussie eh :)

I came across a small swag of human interest stories
in the Sun-Herald 27/01/08 - that might be of interest:

The first story:

"When he's in the line-up of Sydney's popular beaches, Haisam Farache is just another surfer waiting for a wave.

But once he's out of the water he swaps his wetsuit and surfboard for
a robe and turban and assumes the role of an imam at Australia's
largest mosque.

'For me it relates to how I am as an Australian and a Muslim,' he said. 'When I go to the beach I feel rejuvenated. I feel like a new person and whatever stresses I have in my life are being washed away with the waves.'

The 34-year old, who began suffering at 11, said his pastime intrigued his students at Lakemba Mosque. Most laughed, he said, when they discovered he was a surfer, and found it difficult to believe a religious leader had an interest outside of teaching Islam.

The Auburn-based lawyer said surfing was also an ice-breaker when he visited schools across the country as part of his work with the Together for Humanity Foundation.

He recalls visiting a school on the northern beaches where many students began calling him a terrorist. Once the children discovered he was a surfer, their opinion changed and they saw him as one of
'them,' he said.

The second story:

Told about nine of the 3300+ from 56 countries who pledged their
allegiance to the flag in ceremonies across NSW on Australia Day.

Figures from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship show 95% of the population are Australian citizens. However, there are more than 900,000 permanent residents who are eligible to become Australian citizens.

Of the 27,494 immigrants who arrived in NSW between January 1 and December 1 last year, one out of six was from China, making it one of the largest source of immigrants to the state.

Meanwhile India has overtaken Britain as our second-biggest source of new citizens, followed by the Philippines, Vietnam, South Korea, Lebanon and Indonesia.

Pakistanis and Iraqis are also among our fastest-growing migrant groups.

Ah poor ASymeonakis,

He`s been misunderstood. Let`s explain to these good people that in fact you really have a 'huge interest in Aboriginal people dont you.?

Tell them about the concerns you raised to the UN about the ATSIC funding.

Pls explain your deep interest in these people and compassion for them after John Howard stopped the way in which funds were handled.

If you tell them why you think he did that- I will then tell them why *I think he did it

After You ```````

Runner,

Wrong country. In SA you don't get any of the coloured people believing that. (yet)

You are thinking of Zimbabwe.

Foxy I am not picking on AS Col has his own style, one I rarely agree with.
Free speech? it never did exist, not truly, some things we just can not say here.
I could tell of bad behavior of some Greek youths from years ago, screaming insults at Australian women, not however Representative, not the way most would behave.
I am never going to support views that are IMO wrong, just to be nice.
I give no value to AS trying to use false figures to find fault with my country men.
My whole life has been dedicated to the view we are equals all humans.
education and opportunity is the only difference.
I can not name the minority from a minority who is educated to hate, but I do have concerns.
We AS and I clash often, we are from different sides of the left, I blame extremes for stopping true reform, for chasing dreams I think of as nightmares.
And for isolating many workers from the ALP.
I do not dislike AS or Greeks, in fact I still search each country town for the best food you can buy , anywhere a Greek café.
And served by friendly happy great people who make you feel at home.
I love our country too, we always need improvements but after all why stay if its that bad AS?

In the 2006 census, 6.3 million or 32% of respondents identified as "English"

English Australians are Australians of English descent, the largest ethnic group in Australia after "Australian" (which contains an unknown number of English Australians). In the 2006 census, 6.3 million or 32% of respondents identified as "English" or a combination including English, such as English-Australian[3]. The census also documented 860,000 residents of Australia as being born in England.[4] Most of them are descendants of English settlers who arrived during the colonial era and the Big Brother Movement.

Shadow Minister

'Wrong country. In SA you don't get any of the coloured people believing that. (yet)'

The Sth Africans I have spoken to (white and non white) must be making up porkies about the tribal racism being prevalent in South Africa now. I must rebuke them for misreading their experiences.

ASymeonakis,
I understand what you shouted and said but it is clear you do not understand Australians.

Like most others, I could not care less where people come from or what colour their skin is, religion or eye shape. If they want to make a home here for themselves and their kids that if fine. Most migrants I have spoken to have said 'Australia is like the Garden of Eden compared to my old country'. Many people, including Greeks, have done very well by coming here, willingness and hard work is the key.

If you think you can get all the first generation non-anglo migrants to vote en-block and turn our system on its head you are welcome to try. You will fail because they know its a pretty good place.

Col You said "Multiculturalism is just a stepping stone along the path of assimilation"

Firstly, I say MC is a misnomer, we are and never have been Multicultural. From the first fleet we have been multiracial but our dominant culture was and is based on Britain. Our Governance, laws, police, education, military, finace system, social standards are all based on British heritage and all that come are expected to abide by our laws and social standards. I cannot see any one culture that can slot into Australia without some cultural change.
So the most that can be said is that we are partly multicultural. We allow some cultural practises of differing groups but not all.

The ideology of multicuralism is a handicap to integration, simply because it divides people into ethnic groups and emphasises the ethnicity of where they come from. It encourages some alien practices to be passed from generation to generation. Forced marriages and FGM are examples and most of those Croats and Serbs that fight at sport events, and the Lebanese muslim youths that caused the problems at Cronulla, were born here. It is handed down.

The sooner we stop using the MC term the better.

We will always have a problem with Australia / Invasion Day until we get a UN mediated Treaty with our Aboriginal People .

Many white Australians talk Australia Day but know it is Invasion or Holocaust Day for them .

It must include Land, Sea and Water Rights on a just basis and scale .

There must be a solution that is fair and just and give Black Australians fair recompense for the theft or seizure of their land .

WA Liberal Premier Colin Barnett with his divisions of waiting bulldozers has given Aboriginal Groups in Broome just 3 months to work out a "handover deal " for the beautifull and pristine James Price Point just north of Broome .

We white fellas are about to stuff up more of the best of Australia .

n the 2006 Australian Census participants were asked to nominate up to two ethnic groups to define their ancestry, considering that some Australians have a few ethnicities and are of mixed origin. Proportionate to the Australian resident population, the most commonly nominated ancestries were:
Australian (37.13%)
English (31.65%)
Irish (9.08%)
Scottish (7.56%)
Italian (4.29%)
German (4.09%)
Chinese (3.37%)
Greek (1.84%)
Dutch (1.56%)
Indian (1.18%)
Lebanese (0.92%)
Vietnamese (0.87%)
Polish (0.82%)
New Zealander (0.81%)
Filipino (0.81%)
Maltese (0.77%)
Croatian (0.59%)
Australian Aboriginal (0.58%)
Welsh (0.57%)
French (0.5%)
Serbian (0.48%)
Maori (0.47%)
Spanish (0.42%)
Macedonian (0.42%)
South African (0.4%)
Sinhalese (0.37%)
Hungarian (0.3%)
Russian (0.3%)
Turkish (0.3%)
American (0.28%)

Country of Birth Estimated Resident Population

United Kingdom 1,153,264
New Zealand 476,719
People's Republic of China (Excluding Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau) 279,447
Italy 220,469
Vietnam 180,352
India 153,579
Philippines 135,619
Greece 125,849
South Africa 118,816
Germany 114,921
Malaysia 103,947
Serbia 96,895
Netherlands 86,950
Lebanon 86,599
Macedonia 83,951
Sri Lanka 70,908
Indonesia 67,952
United States 64,832
Poland 59,221
Fiji 58,815
Ireland 57,338
Croatia 56,540
Pakistan 19,768
Bosnia and Herzegovina 17,993
Bangladesh 13,751

Religion and belief
25.8% Roman Catholic, 18.7% Anglican, 19.4% Other Christian
2.1% Buddhist, 1.7% Muslim, 0.4% Jewish, 2.0% other, 18.7% No Religion, 11.2% Not described. (2006 census)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Australia#cite_note-9

While you are worried very much for the 1.7% of Muslims You Ignore, and underestimate totaly a huge part of Australians, the non Anglo-Saxons.


Antonios Symeonakis

HOLY TOLEDO BATMAN,

How the Australian people do shout to defend their tribal origins. No cohesion here, it would seem to bode trouble in the future for this multicultural country.

Who knows what undercurrents of hostility run deep below the outwardly peaceful surface. Cronulla suddenly flared.
One day another Rwanda could suddenly erupt with deadly suddenness.

"Yes Robin" I think I'll go back to my own Batcolony where I can call myself batman."

Austin Powerless “Thanks for the Australian Reality figures Col.”

You are welcome AP

Foxy “It seems that we in Australia are terribly touchy and
thin-skinned on the subject of any criticism.”

If I were “thin skinned”, I would ask for an official “Sorry”

“An intelligent man such as yourself could have handled the
matter in a different less abrasive way.”

Maybe but it is a work habit, I am employed to be “abrasive”. One does not achieve “change” by just polishing up what went before.

AS “In the 2006 census, 6.3 million or 32% of respondents identified as "English"”

So what?

All you are doing is trying to move the goal posts because you know you have lost the match.

Fact… we are not talking about the “English”. I never referred to the “English”.

The only references have been yours and some references to “English” as a language, not an ethnic sub group by Foxy and yourself.

The debate has been about Anglo-Saxon/Celts. Recognized as English, Welsh, Scots and Irish or historically, Great Britain and the “British”.

Now you can play word games all you want but limiting the definition half way through the debate is not acceptable, mot even if you suggest we refer not to Greece but only to Athenians or Macedonians or the like.

And another point, I gave references to my source.

You, conveniently omitted to do the same. So, how am I supposed to work out that you are not lying again, like you did in your earlier post claiming to represent 50% of all Australians?

I suggest you try first in a junior league, because you certainly are not up to this.

Shadow Minister “This was tried by the apartheid state in South Africa.

It is not likely to get much support.”

Too right.

Like I said in the beginning of this thread

1 the North will seek investment and management expertise and the whole thing will revert to how we are today

or

2 A 'Mugabe' will float to the top, refuse "white" expertise" and run the place into the ground.

BOAZ_David
open your eyes, and be honest, brave and fair. When TRUTHNOW78 wrote "and we Anglo's could go on celebrating Australia Day on the 26th. Everybodies happy, right?" Why you was not ungry when he wrote "Anglo's" and not Australians but you are ungry when other write Greek, Servian etc? Why you are not ungry when they igmore totaly a huge part of Australians, the non Anglo-Saxon?
Why you are worry so much from the 1.7% of Australian population (Muslims) and you do not worry when a huge part of Australian population, the non Agglo-saxon is ignored or underestimated?
I respect your ideas but I EXPECT FROM YOU TO BE HONEST AND FAIR!

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Dear Col,

I'm glad that you've explained yourself, because now
I understand where you're coming from, and why.

You explain that 'being abrasive is a work habit.'
That you're employed to be 'abrasive,' because
"one does not achieve 'change,' by just polishing
up what went before."

I get it. We live by different ethics (work and others).
I prefer the following:

1) Efficiency is doing things right but,
2) Effectivenss is doing the right things.
(Peter Drucker).

Management takes care of the first, Leadership the second.
And not all Managers are Leaders, as we all know.

Ah well ...

You take it easy now.

Col Rouge,
1. "I gave references to my source" I gave refences to my source too, reread my text.
2. " The debate has been about Anglo-Saxon/Celts." NO, TRUTHNOW78, wrote " and we Anglo's could go on celebrating Australia Day on the 26th. Everybodies happy, right?" He did not write Anglo-Saxon/Celts
3. I do not understand why you put the Irish to your side. Are they with british monarchy? Are they Agglican Christians? Some years before you call them neandertal, now you put them with your side without to ask them?
4.Do you remeber the following? "Fractelle, fluff4,
We never say any migrant for any reason "get out from our country", or "go back to your country" or " go to any other country because the migrant likes an other country.
It is Col Rouge's right to believe for USA what he believes and it is our right to believe what we believe about him but we NEVER SAY HIM "IF YOU DO NOT LIKE AUSTRALIA GET OUT FROM HERE" OR "IF YOU LIKE USA GO THERE" Then you wrote "ASymeonakis thank you for your interjection. You are right, no one here has the right to suggest I depart these shores"
Now you said me to go out of Australia, Where did you find the right to tell me to get out from Australia? Why you change mind about migrands basic rights?
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

ASymeonakis, “BOAZ_David open your eyes, and be honest, brave and fair.”

I wonder how you can possibly make that request of someone else when we see deception and duplicity in every one of your posts on this thread.

Foxy “Management takes care of the first, Leadership the second.
And not all Managers are Leaders, as we all know.”

Absolutely, however, I leave the management and leadership to others who simply pay me for my expertise.

They can take my advise or not, up to them but since they value it highly and pay for it appropriately, following it is their natural response.

For my part, it has nothing to do with “Managing” or “Leading”.

It is about not suffering fools, unless I am getting paid by them.

Foxy “You take it easy now.”

I always do Foxy, I always do.

ASymeonakis “He did not write Anglo-Saxon/Celts”

“Angles” integrated across the British isles, mixing with Saxons, Celts and Scots… indeed my daughters are ¼ Celt through their maternal grandfather and mostly mongrel from my side, with a bit of Jew thrown in from my great-great grandmothers.

“and we Anglo's could go on celebrating Australia Day on the 26th. Everybodies happy, right?" He did not write Anglo-Saxon/Celts”

I would put money, if TRUTHNOW78 were to return to the thread he would confirm, his “Anglos” was intended to represent anyone from Great Britain.

“why you put the Irish to your side. Are they with british monarchy? Are they Agglican Christians?”

The Southern states of Ireland became “Eire” in 1921. The Northern states of Ireland still remain part of the United Kingdom as defined by the act of Union 1800 but were under the British Monarchs for centuries before that time. Indeed William III (William of Orange) is revered for his role in the battle of the Boyne in 1690 and prior to him, the Lord Protector, Oliver Cromwell, was obsessed by enforcing his rule over the Celts back in 1650’s.

Including the Irish is appropriate, especially as they were well represented among the first “Australians”,

regardless what you might think.

Come surely others have noticed?
The differences in AS posts in this thread alone.
Spelling presentation composition is so very different post to post.
Now yes it is the pot calling the kettle black coming from me.
But are we having our legs pulled?
A thread started by a troll, surely most agree?
Now diverted into an active thread about Australia.
And some of us cringe in the corner red faced that some of us should commit the great sin.
Defend our country from unfair criticisms.
Yes I understand no country is perfect, that we always will need to improve.
While I do not agree with Banjo that we should not use Multi Culturism I do agree with some.
Nothing ,surely is wrong with asking newcomers to respect our culture, no I am not asking for turning a blind eye to our wrongs.
AS in early shouted statements use untruths to try to prove his point.
Are you having us on bloke?

Belly ,
He i_s a bit of a lad that AS !

And what a great pot of facts and figures to inform us .

To A Symeonakis,
Keep on keeping 'em honest! They are struggling allready .

Col Rouge claimed he’s paid to be abrasive is he a shock Jock or just an appalling, out of date manager. Obviously he hasn’t upgraded his management skills knowledge base recently. In both my business degree (20years ago) and my Advance Diploma (7 years ago) the theory and practice (30 yrs) contradicts his stance on (abrasive) management and priorities.

Notwithstanding He seems to assume he has the right (?) to be abrasive (rude/intolerant) …wrong! this is a social setting, good manners apply.

His web source? I recommend you read it makes a mockery of his stance.
• It is outdated (population 18 million +) the rest were projections
• The methodology works on amongst many things, name origins?
• Splits people into genetic divisions e.g. ¼ English, ¼ Lebanese, ¼ Chinese, and ¼ Swiss. This says nothing about home culture which affects attitudes/mores etc. Given we're talking societal not genetic home/self definition is more relevant see Aust Census stats approach.
• The also used death certificates. Consider me I was born to a Latvian mother, (?)father. Adopted by a Scot born here and a ½ Aussie and ½ NZer. My death cert (when it comes) will reflect the adopted bit. I’m not alone in this academic (genetic?) mish-mash definition. BTW I answered Aussie to the census to both my and parent origin.
• It’s a pity he didn’t read the conclusion it states
“Truly Australia, in ethnic terms, (is) a most fascinating multicultural nation. To be a peaceful, progressive society however it is important that EVERY (my emphasis) Australian try to show real understanding and tolerance to fellow Australians with different ancestries to their own”

Hardly what he’s doing by advocating British supremacy.
“Hoisted on his own petard”…

BTW Aust wast claimed in the name of the king and England…GB was later.
(culturally/linguistically they’re different) Ergo, Scots, Welsh, Irish (Sthn Irish?) are out.

Despite his back down qualification.
He was/is consistent with his reliance on bullying tactics and selected out of context facts his debates/analyses are poor certainly not to the educational level he claims. AS one CR nil

Col Rouge has told us he’s paid to be abrasive is he a shock Jock or just an appalling,out of date manager. Obviously he hasn’t upgraded his management skills knowledge base recently. In both my business degree (20years ago) and my Advance Diploma (7 years ago) the theory and practice (30 yrs) contradicts his stance on (abrasive) management and priorities.

Notwithstanding He seems to assume he has the right (?) to be abrasive (rude here) …wrong this is a social setting, good manners apply.

To his web source, I recommend you read it too makes a mockery of his stance.
• It is outdated (population 18 million +) the rest were projections
• The methodology works on amongst many things, name origins?
• Splits people into genetic divisions e.g. ¼ English, ¼ Lebanese, ¼ Chinese, and ¼ Swiss. This says nothing about home culture which affects attitudes/mores etc. Given we're talking societal not genetic home/self definition is more relevant see Aust Census stats approach.
• The also used death certificates. Consider me I was born to a Latvian mother, (?)father. Adopted by a Scot born here and a ½ Aussie and ½ NZer. My death cert (when it comes) will reflect the adopted bit. I’m not alone in this academic (genetic?) mish-mash definition. BTW I answered Aussie to the census to both my and parent origin.
• It’s a pity he didn’t read the conclusion it states
“Truly Australia, in ethnic terms, (is) a most fascinating multicultural nation. To be a peaceful, progressive society however it is important that EVERY (my emphasis) Australian try to show real understanding and tolerance to fellow Australians with different ancestries to their own”

Hardly what he’s doing by advocating British supremacy.
“Hoisted on his own petard”…

BTW Aust wast claimed in the name of the king and England…GB was later.
(culturally/linguistically they’re different) Ergo, Scots, Welsh, Irish (Sthn Irish?) are out.

Despite his current assertions a later introduced qualification.
He was/is consistent with his reliance on bullying tactics his debates/analysis are poor certainly not to the educational level he claims. One to AS.

Examinator “In both my business degree (20years ago) and my Advance Diploma (7 years ago) the theory and practice (30 yrs) contradicts his stance on (abrasive) management and priorities.”

Whoopee doo and good for you

Regardless of you opinion, for which I would not give a rats, all I can say is

It works for me and the client companies who employ me.

As for what you do with your paper wall-hangings,

They make no difference to me

I do not care, many of of those “diplomas”, I could buy off the net or get by simply paying a fee based on my existing accreditations.

As for “Given we're talking societal not genetic home/self definition”

Actually, I would suggest most “societal” definitions conform closely with “genetic home/self” definitions.

Bearing in mind posting limits, I took the first responses from google, a university source which arrayed data in a “genetic” and understandable manner and assumed it is appropriate to this “opinion forum”.

Regarding “try to show real understanding and tolerance to fellow Australians with different ancestries to their own””

As I have already said
“I personally could not give a rats, where someone comes from, never have. I only care that they are required to jump over the same hurdles as I had to, excepting refugees and family reunion,…”
“And we will end up with a lot of “Coffee coloured Australians”

Personally, being a Brit…... They are the Coffee-coloured people of a millennium ago, (except more latte than expresso)”

“He was/is consistent with his reliance on bullying tactics his debates/analysis are poor certainly not to the educational level he claims. “

I do not acknowledge your your arrogant, errant and pompous judgment of me or my qualifications..

All you have done is write a lot of words but advanced the debate not one inch further,
which will probably end up like a suitable epitaph for you.

“Here Lies Examinator,
he did try to achieve.
But despite the best laid plans of mice and men
(and Examinator was a mouse among men),
Whilst most found him “trying”
None could recall any achievements”

Examinator has started another thread, partly based on our behavior here, asking questions about changes to OLO.
Well we do wander a bit.
If we stuck to the subject would we truly talk of an Aboriginal separate state?
I think not, KJ do you truly see a future in an Australia separated forever? can you show me the people ready to rule?
is separatism the way?
Col will not change, he is full of both self assurance and believes his verbal opponent is wrong always.
My question was honest why the great differences in AS posts?
How can it be wrong to question him on his views?
Most Aussie share one thing with Col Rouge, we truly do not care what country people come from but how they act matters.

Belly,
You do yourself or I a disservice I see no problem with your posts or views. (Others could do worse than model their attitude to this site on you), sure we don't always agree but you treat all with respect.
The new thread was intended as a call to all of us to lift our game, and how to facilitate it.
I admit that the subject wasn’t totally esoteric but I absolutely deny that it is/was an attempt to victimize specific individuals rather, unacceptable behaviour generally. Like you I can and do call a spade a bloody shovel. Had I wanted to target someone I have the bottle to name them.

Col Rouge,
You claim superior debating skills (your shot at me in a previous post) yet your response was (predictably) petulant and retributive. You have proven several of my conclusions.
1/ You have an egotistical glass jaw you give it but collapse into vitriol if you're challenged particularly in like fashion. A truly confident person would not in this environment feel such a need.
2/ I used your aggressive/combative debating techniques in that I questioned your credibility as you have done unnecessarily to many on this site. This is a social site therefore good manners are required. Not PC or stuffy cocked pinkie just plain every day politeness and respect.
3/ The majority of my post was directed at legitimately (obviously successfully) countering your source argument.
4/ I’m sure many will note that you chose to attack me personally rather than the issue proving that your argument style is both brittle and vulnerable on matters of logic and analysis.
From a robust debating perspective your style relies on bullying and bluster. A second rate debating style as I’m sure any serious debater would agree.
In conclusion You do have a valuable contribution to make so please do it with less unnecessary aggression and vitriol.
Let’s move on.
As far as I’m concerned Amen and good night.

I just wish every parasite Attaché for the Aboriginal Question be expelled from Australia for a start, then let the Aboriginal people becomes Australians- as they are and were before Whitlam.

Advocating the absolute ridicules notion as is of Multiculturalism , creating their own little apartheid states within a state ; If I can remember all the little lobotomized circus clowns bouncing around in their rubber rooms with pathological violent vitriol about South African Apartheid ; they the same brainless parasites , then create their own multi apartheid states and call it Secular.
Namely all they do is recreate Balkanised and a dysfunctional sectarian State.

To be quite frank, it is time the Aboriginal parasite industry was abandoned, the Looting of the state to fund a hand full of Horse Agistment for brains opulence and depravity at the great expense of a Nation and its people – Aboriginals are Australians- and any idiot who states otherwise, Bugger off.

Examimator “You claim superior debating skills (your shot at me in a previous post) yet your response was (predictably) petulant and retributive. You have proven several of my conclusions.”

Oh – maybe you should quote specifically where I have claimed such “skills”.

“You have an egotistical glass jaw”

So you tell me

“This is a social site therefore good manners are required.”

I know, when things are too heated, our gallant host can delete and post and ban anyone he chooses…

but as we see from your new thread "For the sake of OLO ...rule changes?", the expectations of the host are not in accordandce with yours, so here you are having another dummy–spit.

Personally, I accept the ruling of the host, consistently without question because, unlike you, I do accept the rules and expectations of others and do not consider myself the sole arbiter of posting ettiquette.

“The majority of my post was directed at legitimately (obviously successfully) countering your source argument.”

Sorry, if my I response is out of alignment with your undeclared expectations…but I accept no responsibility for either your comfort or convenience.

“I’m sure many will note that you chose to attack me personally”

if you cannot take it, do not give it out…

considering, your entire last post was an undiguised attack on me.

“In conclusion You do have a valuable contribution to make so please do it with less unnecessary aggression and vitriol”

I know I have “a valuable contribution to make”,

It is just, I do not go around telling people “I have a valuable contribution to make”. . ..

Belly, I appreciate your expressions of agreement

All -
whilst I might not share your vocabulary, I do understand and accept your underlying sense of frustration and possibly anger with the professional apologist industry, who just love telling us what we must do and how we must think.

"All -
whilst I might not share your vocabulary, I do understand and accept your underlying sense of frustration and possibly anger with the professional apologist industry, who just love telling us what we must do and how we must think."

All
He really believes this?

Apologies, I should make it clearer.

Col said (in reply to 'All'):

"whilst I might not share your vocabulary, I do understand and accept your underlying sense of frustration and possibly anger with the professional apologist industry, who just love telling us what we must do and how we must think."

My response to everybody (not 'All'):

He (Col) really believes this?

Examinator sorry I never had any intention other than to get people to contribute to your thread.
It is very much needed.
However I feel a bit defensive, sometimes I feel in rebutting AS I may look like a bully.
He means well, is just the type of person I would seek out to talk to at a meeting, I try to make sure no one is left alone.
But while some say [in the Union/Labor movement] I have far too much Passion, my claim is some have far too little.
Both movements have much to thank the true left for.
And can rightly put most of the blame for our bad public profile on the extremes far right and left of our movement.
AS in fact dreams of things that are my nightmares.
Those who dislike Multi Culturism, can I ask one thing?
Look at our world from my eyes, before Muslim and Asian migration, no do not brand me racist!
This country became far better with ww2 refugees, yes we called them wogs, feared their differences, but now they are us, tell me they are not.
Asians, so very many who do not want multi Culturism see only the worst, not the proud Aussie kids from these proud new Aussies, we are a better country.
Muslims, free speech does not exist, this may be deleted just because I mention Islam.
But my Doctor is the best one I ever had, he is getting me past a truly tough time, he is from Iran.
Yes I dislike intensely, every extremist Muslim, every single one , but we will win more hearts and minds of the children of these migrates with under standing than we ever will with guns.
I am not afraid of the idiotic statements of some Muslim spokesmen, we learn by such diatribes, but not all, not even most Muslims are a threat.

As I predicted, we haven't seen nor heard from TRUTHNOW78 since the first troll post in the thread. I think TRUTHNOW78 is the online equivalent of the sadistic kid who drops a brick on to an ants' nest and then delights in watching them scurry around furiously.

With any luck s/he'll get bitten one day.

Dear CJ,

I'm also curious about TRUTHNOW...

This is not the first thread that he/she has started
and then departed...

I would have thought that it's obligatory to join in a
discussion when you start the thread.

But, Perhaps not. Although with TRUTHNOW... it's always
provocation - hasn't it? So, it does point to rather
suspect, troll-like intent.

But, what does it say about us for responding, I wonder...?

TRUTHNOW78 Thank you very much, you gave me the opportunity to write some things I wanted to write long time ego.
You understand me very well! We did not capture your thread, you transfer it to us and the transfering happened when you desappeared.
GOD BLESS YOU!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

ASymeonakis,

GOD BLESS YOU!
Thats a interesting departure for a self confessed Athiest.
Yes it does seem that TRUTHNOW78 has got your number and fancy you both having the same interests. Yes you have always been big on Aboriginal affairs states havent you.

You didnt explain to these good people your work to lobby the UN about the ATSIC Funds for Aboriginal People being Choped off by the Government.

Isnt it comforting to have somebody else with the same intersts as you. TRUTHNOW78 must be your lucky number- Or not.

A*State in the North of the continent, totally seperate from the Australian government. It could be run by Aboriginals alone with it's own military,*

God Bless America:)

A state in the north is fine, but make it PNG.

Antonios could emigrate there too.