Golly Spikey.. are you going to list every event in history until you score a hit ? :)

Come come.. those things ALSO have 'factors'.

Did Jesus burn his disciples when they got it wrong?
Did he advise his disciples to burn others who got it wrong? or..did he mention more about reconciliation?

Ireland.. political more than religious.. if Catholics and Protestants can get along fine together outside the political mess.. (there were interfaith fellowships during that crisis) doesn't that tell you something?

When any society is totally structured on religious lines.. any non them will seem a threat.

Once again... in alllll of these.. you are just trying to sling mud on Jesus by the misdeeds of those using His glorious name.

None of that will enable you to evade your personal responsibility before his throne of Judgement and Grace... and until you look at the Lord Himself.. all you will see are the 'weeds' rather than the "wheat" (Parable of Jesus)
The choice is yours Spikey.
You can be a piece of grass totally outside the ploughed field... a weed growing in it..looking like a Christian..or.. a stalk of wheat.. rooted and grounded in Christ Himself....producing fruit many fold.

KMB..glad to hear the RC church sorted out some of this.

David,
You claimed not using a pseudonym equates to being (more) responsible for your words. I it had more to do with promoting your organization a pseudonym wouldn’t work. I pointed out I suffer the same responsibility as you.
Would using my name change anything? No, I’m not promoting a group.

My mum had no committed religious views while I was young. That happened after Dad was killed (I was 16). She is far more content today.
The Burma railway survivor/drinker was my Dad not an analogy. Given what he had to cope with I think it would be presumptuous/ignorant of anyone to equate that axiom to him. It also (wrongly) assumes as do you, (‘mature adult’) a universal equality of needs and skills. Experience in crisis intervention tells me because YOU don’t need the fantasy that means others don’t.
the crux of your Papuan question is which is better (religion or no religion) having lived through the consequences of people who once had belief in spirits and now have nothing I’m not so sure that the rationalist view is necessarily better.

**The nub of my concern is that the belief isn’t the problem, it’s excesses that people/groups do with it is the cause of the grief. People have a right to chose for their families**. The fact that you want to delete RI from (church schools) is an implied policy but a policy none the less.
The govt system couldn’t cope without church run schools.
There are many reasons people send their children to Church run schools. These schools are compelled to teach a standard curriculum to gain govt support. RI should be extra curricular. I dispute the validity of the Jesuit claim of lifetime ownership today
BTW I went to a Lutheran Boarding school where Indoctrination was steroidal. I and all my contacts from those days are atheistic in out look.
We do agree that governments/ public schools shouldn’t be influenced by or promote either side.

On second thought we should just agree to disagree
Cheers

Golly Polycarp,

It's not fair and reasonable to expect you to respond to examples of Christian violence when you've said there's none. Too awkward.

Go easy on the weed and grass old son. You've had better days with your metaphors.

examinator

“On second thought we should just agree to disagree”

That seems like an idea whose time has arrive. ;))

David

Quite so, Spikey.

<< You can be a piece of grass totally outside the ploughed field... a weed growing in it..looking like a Christian..or.. a stalk of wheat.. rooted and grounded in Christ Himself....producing fruit many fold. >>

Or you can end up a totally rooted fruit loop, as our fundy brethren frequently demonstrate :)

Examinator,

in one area at least, I think you are being too mindfull of the divisions existing on the forum and tactfully refraining from coming down on one side or the other, however, mipela tink taim bepor, em i gutpela moa. Em i trutok!

(Apologies, people - couldn't resist).