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The Gaza Solution

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Dear Haganah Bet,

Your understanding of events and mine differs
totally. And it's sad because
Israel's war without questions intensifies and
broadens the circles of hatred for
generations. In fact, I can't think of any other
country on earth that, in full view of
nightly TV audiences, has performed such
detailed sadism against an entire society and
gotten away with it.

As for no occupied territories existing today?
Try the West Bank. However, as Moshe Dayan acknowledged
on 17 Sept. 1969, "There is not a single place built
in this country that did not have a former Arab
population."

Avraham Burg wrote on 15 Sept, 2003:

"We live in a thunderously failed reality...
A state lacking justice cannot survive...
Even if the Arabs lower their heads and swallow
their shame and anger for ever, it won't
work. a structure built on human callousness
will inevitably collapse in on itself..."
(Roman Empire, South Africa, Soviet Union).

And:

"Between the Jordan and the Mediterranean there
is no longer a clear Jewish majority.
And so, fellow citizens, it is not possible
to keep the whole thing without paying a price.
We cannot keep a Palestinian majority under an
Israeli boot and at the same time think ourselves
the only democracy in the Middle East. There
cannot be a democracy without equal rights for
all who live there, Arab as well as Jew.
We cannot keep the territories and preserve a
Jewish majority in the world's only Jewish state."

And finally,

"Accusations made by a well-established society
about how a people it is oppressing is breaking
rules to attain its rights do not have much credence."
(Shlomo-Ben-Ami, 2000).
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 12 January 2009 11:08:13 AM
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ANDREW SMITH.. early white settler to Australia.. referring to the "abo's"

"We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them, ...
we'll insert a strip of White settlements in
between the Boongs, and then another strip
of White settlements right across the Western New South Wales,
so that in 25 years' time, neither the United
Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be
able to tear it apart."

WOAH... welcome to "Australia"... but this of course was a bit longer ago..and we have all now nicely adjusted to the status quo....

I never cease to be amazed at how 'we' from our ivory towers of 'success' in overcoming the 'annoying indigenous' people.... can now poke the bone and stick and stone at Israel for doing that from which we all benefit AND speak from.... today.

No..I don't feel good about any of it. I'm as much a victim of it as anyone. AND...I see the seething rage in the faces of Aboriginal youth in Melbourne each Australia day.. how they resemble the same facial expressions towards whites as Palestinians do toward Jews.

We are all victims of history.. some are a 'victim in progress' .. might may not be 'right' but it does rule. The upside of course is..that once the dust has settled, there is opportunity for all.. yep..ALL to have a reasonable life together.. it won't be the hunting and gathering of the 'old way' but it can still be great.

HAMAS CRUELTY /HUMAN SHIELDS (Children)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBR8Z-l8LXg&feature=related

HAMAS CHILDREN 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeZzSgKUde8&feature=email
Posted by Polycarp, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 11:05:43 AM
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Just to help realize how scurrilous is HAMAS/Muslim propoganda and Islamic opportunism..... see THIS.

IDF drops a bomb on a fuel depot... big bang....

Muslim perspective? 'TACTICAL NUKE DROPPED ON GAZA'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi8avZ5fGnE&feature=related

THOSE POOR WOMEN?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGyc9gvD-U&feature=related

THOSE POOR CHILDREN?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

Yes..they are poor because they are subjected to the disgusting mind altering practices of Islamist Hamas.

So..no matter what the short term cost.. HAMAS must be destroyed.. 100% Let's hope Israeli politicians will have the grit to do the job.
Posted by Polycarp, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 11:24:33 AM
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Polycarp,

I prefer the words of Desmond Tutu, April 2002:

"People are scared in this country (the US),
to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby
is powerful - very powerful.
Well, so what? For goodness sake, this is God's
world!

We live in a moral universe. The apartheid government
was very powerful, but today it no longer exists.
Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pinochet, Milosevic, and
Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit
the dust.

Injustice and oppression will never prevail.
Those who are powerful have to remember the litmus test
that God gives to the powerful: what is your treatment
of the poor, the hungry, the voiceless?

And on the basis of that, God passes judgement.

We should put out a clarion call to the government
of the people of Israel, to the Palestinian people
and say: peace is possible, peace based on justice is
possible.

We will do all we can to assist you to achieve this peace,
because it is God's dream, and you will be able to live
amicably together as sisters and brothers."
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 3:08:13 PM
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CONT'D...

Polycarp,

If the words of Desmond Tutu can't reach you,
perhaps Rabbi Menachem Froman's words might:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Froman

Or alternatively you can just simply google:

Menachem Froman
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 3:26:44 PM
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Dear Foxy... well intentioned...good hearted and compassionate :)

I read the information about the Froman Amrayeh agreement. It is good with one vital problem...and here it is:

<<It does not, for example, include the recognition by Hamas of the State of Israel, instead "recognizing that there are Jews living in the Holy Land," according to Froman, thus overcoming an obstacle that has long been a deal-breaker.>>

You must ask this question "why" is such recognition (Of Israel) a 'deal breaker'?

That is the single most important question any of us can ask.

This little sentence leads us back to the Hamas Charter... and the fundamental long term Goal they have.

If this is not the case..then recognition should not be the slightest problem. They might even say something like "We recognize the State of Israel within such and such borders"...which might also be a total deal breaker but at least the Israeli's would know clearly what they are up against.

The absense of the committment to recognition of the State of Israel, and the obscure language about it being "a reality" and "long term truce" simply means that they are biding time for a final onslaught and ethnic cleansing of all Jews. If this were NOT so..then they would remove the 2 inhuman sections from their charter immediately.

1/ Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it.
2/ The Last hour will not come unless the Muslims KILL the Jews.

The dancing around this issue they do.. relying on graphic images of dismembered children to sway public opinion and bludgeon our senses to the point where ANYthing for peace seems good... is standard stuff for HAMAS.

Regrettably.. it changes nothing about their nature in my view.

But let history prove me right or wrong. Chamberlain tried appeasement..and look what we got.

I think if all these rallies for Gaza focused SOME of their zeal on HAMAS demanding they renounce their genocidal charter.. some good might come of it.

That will be the message I bring to the Anti War/Gaza Rally in Melbourne on Jan 18th
Posted by Polycarp, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 4:23:38 PM
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