belly re being 'gods' people
who is not a child of god?

we have abraham who wrestled with an angel..[from who he extracted [claimed to have extracted] a promise]

then we have mosus who begged god not to smite them

if you read further into the books read what god said via the messengers to 'his'people,..please define your proof of where they kept loyalty to god?

you are accepting assumptions..[do you believe in god]?
if not how can you presume to speak for him

how about jesus killed by the judeans..[pharesies or whatever]..is he gods son? his only son?

please present your proof of the assertation..[and reveal why it hasnt been recanted]your presuming trying to stir the pot

clearly you missed where i revealed that'jews'are a recent invention,

abraham was the father of many semite..[this includes arabs]..so by virtue of abraham the arabs are the people of god too

the whole area is murkey [and if raised by an athiest[or a jew]and to what end is again murky;...but this might be a fruitfull conversation deserving of its own toppic

i follow the teachings of christ[the messiah], he advised that we would know by peoples deeds..[not just those who honour god with their lips]

in the specific sense all life gifted to live BY GOD ALONE
and are thus all children of god

[and every person belongs to the people of god]he gives even athiests their gift of life and considering the nature of many people[if that dont reveal god is love nothing will]

i dont make statements lightly,..jesus saying love god love neighbour..,guides me into knowing simply by peoples deeds if they really are gods people

jesus said even a beast of the field knows its masters voice
those who claim to know god must reveal love

just by our fruits/deeds we reveal that still quite voice inside us that guides us is revealing us to be following the still voice of love or hate

revealing if we hear gods voice or satans
by the good or vile we chose to do

*YABBY... you keep on saying that the partition plan 'stole' land.*

Poly, I think that you are confusing the personal with the national
here.

If my family and I owned land in what is now Israel, if we did
not declare war on anyone, but if we were forced to leave and that
land is now occupied by Israelis, then our family should be entitled to
compensation. You would want the same.

A friend of mine some years ago received compensation for a building
in Latvia, that was taken from his family by the Russians, after
the second world war. Fair enough.

Where the Palestinians have a differnt problem, which seemingly
nobody wants to discuss, but I will :) , is that they have apparently
been breeding like rabbits, so the population of Palestinians has
soared.

They can only blame themselves for that and it will only add to
the problem of population pressure. We know from Rwanda, that
the more people you try to cram tighter together, the more will
be your problems.

That is simply not sustainable and as Darwin predicted, eventually
that population will crash, if it is not sustainable.

So it sounds like they will learn the hard way, in that part of
the world.

one under god I agree I will join the ever growing group who ignore your posts.
However I wish you well in the battle to stay in touch with reality.
It could be good advice however to not take on face value anything any one says in that part of the world, by mate.

OUG... yep..I hardly read yours :)

a) They are too LONG
b) The seem to be full of woffle.
c) They are structured in a strange way with lots of little sub thoughts and brackety things...

Try.. a few headings... good spacing..and maybe just ONE major thought ? :)

YABBY.. I think we can agree on that issue. I just make the point we need to be careful to make distinctions about why various Palestinian groups lost their land.

EXAMPLE 1 If they had sent fighters against Israel.. LOST/GONE/GAME OVER

EXAMPLE 2 If they have been peaceful and suddenly some settlers come along and say "God gave us this land.. you 'out'.. we 'in' bye bye"

Then..I'm sympathetic to compensation. I also note that Israel has not to my knowledge disagreed with that.

EXTRA POINT. Did you notice that the Settler segment of Israeli population is growing MUCH faster than the secular ? :) ( 3 times)

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1046928.html

Now.. how brilliant must we be to work out....."Over TIME...this will mean a problem of some kind"

Jewish Population of Israel 5.4m (total 7.5m)
Settler Population amond Jews .5million (growing 3 times faster than the 5.4m)

In 12 years, if they double again.. it would be nearly a MILLION settlers .... another 12 years? 2million.

Oh...look...what's that I see over there ? hmm people digging foundations near the Al Akhsa mosque..for a NEW JEWISH TEMPLE!

Yep....I anticipate some interesting times ahead.

belly i will admit to sounding 'out there',..i am the result of my life,and will attempt to explain the unexplainable

see that the bible needs to be read in the times of its writing,that in jesus time the messiah was expected[thus the deciples wrote according to what they expected to see]..that when jesus says'ye unbelieving nation,needing miracles,,,that means any miracle 'reported'..ISNT a miracle!

back/then the ritual was set that dinner took four hours,..that cleanlyness was supreem...[thus the importance of knowing about the handwash jars role in the ritual]

noting the'serman on the mount'mentions..hand/wash-jars..before and after..[it must be seen that at the mount..the judean beliefs wouldnt let 4000/5000 eat without the ritual

[the teaching jesus was teaching the deciples was how fixed we are in our faith[as polycarp,yes and you]..reveal here and now so clearly

see that jesus saying at canna wedding'..it is not yet my time'..means..[to us reading it today]..that he did NOTHING,..he said as much as i dont care..[im not the host]..i dont care if you feed them that vile handwash liquid

servants being servants,they couldnt let the host loose face,[because if the master loses face so much worse for his servants,

so a 'good'servant would save his masters pride/face by bringing out the best wine...[when the custom was to feed the poor wine near the end..,as is also mentioned

[these clues are missed by not knowing that these handwash-jars are the spiritual equivelent of a toilet...[would you serve your master toilet water?..[well neither did the servants]

[recall jesus said about who will lead you will serve you..[a servant gets this teaching easier than a master]...it is our faith in riutual[or holy text]...that avoids us seeing the living loving god right now]..god is eternal[thus must live now]

see that god lives in real time RIGHT NOW..[living ever in the living moment]...not in dead words or able to be captured in holy texts or an arc or a temple

you didnt ask specific questions..[or point out specific error so i could only reply generally...as i have said many times point out where you think i err,and i will gladly explain

EARLY_ARAB_VIEW_ABOUT_JEWISH IMMIGRATION TO PALESTINE:

http://www.amislam.com/feisal.htm

Excepts from an articled by Sharif al-Hussein Ibn Ali al-Husseini, published in "al-Qiblah" on March 23, 1918

<<The resources of the country [Western Palestine] are still virgin soil and will be developed by the Jewish immigrants.

One of the most amazing things until recent times was that the Palestinian used to leave his country, wandering over the high seas in every direction. His native soil could not retain a hold on him, though his ancestors had lived on it for 1,000 years.

At the same time we have seen the Jews from foreign countries streaming to Palestine from Russia, Germany, Austria, Spain, America. The cause of causes could not escape those who had the gift of a deeper insight.

They knew that the country was for its original sons [abna'ihi-l-asliyin], for all their differences, a sacred and beloved homeland.

The return of these exiles [jaliya] to their homeland will prove materially and spiritually an experimental school for their brethren who are with them in the fields, factories, trades, and in all things connected with toil and labour.>>

Letter by Emir Feisal to Felix Frankfurter, President of the Zionist Organisation of America

Paris, March 3, 1919.

<<DEAR MR. FRANKFURTER: I want to take this opportunity of my first contact with American Zionists to tell you what I have often been able to say to Dr. Weizmann is Arabia and Europe.

We feel that the Arabs and Jews are cousins in race, having suffered similar oppressions at the hands of powers stronger than themselves, and by a happy coincidence have been able to take the first step towards the attainment of their national ideals together.

The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted yesterday by the Zionist Organization to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as moderate and proper. We will do our best, in so far as we are concerned, to help them through: we will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home.>>