Hi Veronika
actually it's not a dumb question.

The point though, which should not be missed, is that the mindset which wants to reclaim all previously Muslim ruled or.. Muslim inhabited land, is very much a part of the more serious Islamic thinking.

Pericles (and gang). Your silly infantile claim that I am 'out of my depth' is ludicrous. Coming from one who does not know one end of Surah 9 from the other.. you are just demonstrating your complete ignorance. How can you say I'm out of my depth when you don't even understand the basis of the position I take?

TOPIC. Any analaysis of the Mumbai events must consider many aspects.

Thus far we still have very limited information.

The only 'factual' nature of the following, thus far, is that it is 'a report.'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/28/british-terrorists-mumbai

"Vilasrao Deshmukh, the chief minister of Mumbai, was reported to have said that two British-born Pakistanis were among eight gunmen seized by Indian commandos who stormed buildings to free hostages."

The Foreign Office said it was investigating reports on NDTV, a local television news channel, that the terrorists – who swarmed into luxury hotels and other tourist sites in the city – included "British citizens of Pakistani origin".

Leftist sites (predictably) have found that blonde haired people who drink alchohol could not be Muslims. Dream on. Nope..that means they were "British/CIA operatives". Evidence? :) "blonde hair/drank booze"

The mind boggles.

Brown playing down the reported Brit connection is hilariously predictable. Millibrand is a fool.. a complete idiot, just saying what he needs to say to gain localized political gain.. probably says the opposite in other places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkAiT_BRwYc

Goto 1.50 and listen....then read Surah 9:29 and 30 and see if what he says is true. It isn't..he lied outright.

"Islam is an enemy of no-one and a friend to all"

You have to be more than stupid.. ignorant.. in total denial to not see this, you have to be psychologically unbalanced.

'Fight'...means 'pat on the head' ..right? :) duh.

your hatred has blinded you
roly/poly/holy/carper

your hanging your confusion on the word fight[as in resist evil]
even if that evil is only in your own mind

it begins by explaining why the promises of man are not binding upon god NOR his apostle

[please explain why they should be][a retoricle question your clearly blinded by your own hate]thus deaf to anything not confirming your insane ravings[re sura 9]

read[9;3]IF YOU REPENT
ALL WILL BE WELL WITH YOU,but if you give no heed
KNOW you will not escape
HIS judgment

if an idolater seeks assylum with you

GIVE HIM PROTECTION
so he may HEAR the word of allah
AND THEN convey him to SAFETY
[for idolaters are ignorant men

the boood thirsty savages[LOL]

[seems xtians believe much the same judment type belief]

or''so long as they keep faith with you
# KEEP FAITH IN THEM''

wonder why the messenger calls the sura repentance?

it should be called'leave the revenge thing to god'
or'who are you to judge another'

try to find a torah some time

it has in it the right to molest any child under a certain age
mate if you live in glass houses dont be throwing stones

you are mindless yet fail to realise it

by mindless i mean
you have stopped thinking

your fixated ON SOME LINES
or rather[INTERPRITATIONS OF REMEMBERED LINES]

[MAHANOUD DIDT write THE WORDS[THEY WERE ONLY MEMORISED]
till they were gathered in time into a collection
then translation into a book

grow up son

you
cant force the world to repent
nor call it to acount

but can chose to repent yourself;account for your own deceptions

only YOU can chose for YOU

IS the'torah'is so hard to find
because the quotes i have come across of it are discusting?

its the only'holy'text i cant find
surly in this is a sign for the thinking man

let ye without sin not cast the first stone eh?
leave it to god to judge others

you should perhaps read the whole book
before you judge YOURSELF better than its followers

Romany
I laughed at your colourful images. Yes I think you have a good point - I too have resisted posting to these sorts of race/religious hate threads but there is something about bashing those keys to get out a retort to Boazy's usual nonsense. But alas it takes a reasonable level of self-awareness to be able to question and look at a situation rationally without the strong dogma that dictates to Boazy. We will just have to accept him for who he is.

Boaz
You ask me not to be a hypocrite when talking about hatred and then you proceed to use the Mafia as an example of religious belief or as a parallel. Your mind knows no bounds. There are many religions who have fostered violence including Christianity in the push to convert the world. I know you like to ignore this similarly to acts by the West against other nations without due cause. It surprises me that your faith assumes humans to be intrinsically bad (hence needing God's hand) yet you are blind when those same humans might perpetrate violence on another both economically and physically.

I don't think there is any point arguing with you. You never respond to the deeper questions posed to you which suggest you don't look beyond your own blind faith or question whether your entrenched view might actually be wrong.

Romany is right I think I might save myself for other more worthy debates.

The word "analysis" in this thread title is something of a misnomer, isn't it?

Veronika writes
'The word "analysis" in this thread title is something of a misnomer, isn't it?

I would say the word 'denial' is far more appropriate. It is not surprising that we have so many secularist defending the 'religion of peace' when they deny the corruption in their own heart. Secularism is certainly full of blind dogmas. You can only laugh when they accuse others of dogmas.

runner
How is secularism affecting your life? Secularists are not forcing you to have an abortion nor are they forcing you act against your own beliefs. They are not dictating to you to do anything that you do not believe in.

Would you rather a dictatorship where only one narrow view of the world was allowed. A nation of only one religion that dictates to you what you should believe and risk punishment if you deter.

Or would you rather live in a nation that accepts that people are different and free to worship as they see fit (assuming no laws are broken of course).