Runner: "I would say the word 'denial' is far more appropriate."

I agree. Can you tell Polycarp to change it? He listens to you.

Oh Dear, This whole discussion shows how pointless the attitude to
Islam both pro and anti is and yet while I think everyone realises
that not all moslems advocate terrorism, it seems there is no point
in trying to decide who are the terrorists.
Many of the rest give passive support or at minimum see no evil.

Why should we bother, just remove them all and not allow more to come.
How do we handle those that were born here ?
I don't know but if they are unhappy pay them off and give them an airline ticket.

They seem to be the most incompatible migrants that we have ever had.

Pelican Romany Foxy et al

I try to avoid being sucked into discussion as morally, perverted religiosity, intellectually moribund as in Polycarp’s concerto “Rondo in fear minor” played on his rubber band.
i.e. All topics he responds to or creates have one purpose. I am often reminded of the bard’s epithet “me thinks he protesteth too much”.
I feel for his fear and apparent sense of “lack of control” in his life. Beyond that I would be intruding into his privacy which I abhor.

We should all remember that any contact or our words etc are windows into our personalities, problems etc. at a subliminal level, much like body language. The more obsessed we appear the clearer that window vision becomes and more the subject becomes the individual rather that the faux issue. This is stock and trade for any crisis councillor.

Back on topic It is sad that so many commenters project their own irrational out of perspective fears as analysis of what is indeed a tragic event.

Ludwig has yet again attempted to add rationality into the debate. Yet to little avail.

I must admit that PC’s defence of Koresh based on what he was trying to do is both superficial and disquieting. A bit like defending Eugenics

This thread has gone way off topic and has become nasty: a moderator should shut it down.

Exammy.... I don't know where you get 'defending' David Koresh from?

I don't defend him for a moment. He was a crazy cult leader.

Any Analysis of the Mumbai attacks needs to be based on much fuller information. I've been hoping more would come out by now, but it's still early days and with only one surviving militant.. it might be some time before the Indian authorities 'coax' information out of him.

HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW.

1/ Some Militant terrorists have attacked the financial hub of Mumbai, murdering over 170 people and wounding countless others.

2/ Those terrorists were clearly ready to die for their cause.

3/ We have speculation about '2 British born of pakistani origin'

4/ Westerners (British and American) were targeted and killed.

5/ Defense experts estimate that at least 100 people were needed to support such an operation on the ground.

6/ The militants targeted a Jewish centre, killing a Rabbi.

Based on the above. It is unlikely that the perpetrators were maoists.
The operation has the hallmarks of Al Qaeda (suicide/Anti Western/Anti Jewish)

Only time will fill in the gaps.

If point 3 turns out to be true, then my initial post about the 'ideas' driving the operation is where the discussion should be focusing for answers.

what do we have so far
22 foreigers were killed
not including the 8 landed by rubber duckie?
or the 7 waiting for them

all terrosist but one dead
dead terrorists is 9

but clearly the numbers of terorists are at;least 15
[not a hundred]
why dont the numbers add up?

by far the biggest murder death toll was a railway station
where indians were machine gunned en mass[to get the numbers up]

as hotels were targeted[and not the stock exchange]
i see no attack as such on the finantial'center'

as for the jewish'center'
[the planned?timing
seems to have gone astray]

sadly a rabbi and his wife were murdered

and at least two terrorists were killed with them
it is not reported if the terroist or the resque killed them,

pakistan deneys it set this up

[and to accuse your neighbour of setting this entrain isnt helpfull]
reported was[an indian minester]accusing pakistan

#when clearly the facts arnt in

this reveals either a bias,a fear or a hate but not a fact

the british link[british born]
means at least two CAME FROM BRITON[not pakistan]

based on the abouve
it is clear there is a red flag operating

the issuie having all the hall marks
[of a suprise attack and media spin]
and a rampant blogger sphere accusing pakistan

time will not fill the facts
it will muddy the waters

if point 6 is true it dosnt fit in with the other murders[as being'well planned']
apparently the attackers even missed getting the nanny and a child

#but i guess it was important to the play
to have a clear israelie victim[as excuse to attack iran

[will that be called an act of terror[or an act of war?]

any death blasphemes god

murderors come in many shapes and sizes
all religions and of many beliefs

why media ,finance ,science ,film ,game shows music,transport , strock marketeering, art ,law ,govt ,lobby , banking ,security industries are so controlled by just one in particular

noting during war time[ww1/ww2]
the financial centers are never attacked
that makes this one a black swan