im now getting my facts from the sunday mail
front page[row;ling has another best seller A NEW BOOK]

kids feature on the front page;utilate toy guide[rawlings
and in the header'love the kids'

46 hours of hell
''teror hostage''
[he wasnt held hostage[he decided to stay put?]

his name dont ring any bells?
david jacobs

but go to page 4
david jacob[lawyer]
two security EXPERTS?
bravery humour,grace,telivision/raio intervieuws

[and 3 pages of the news paper so far[he must be palistinian going by his dark hue and nose and narrow eyes[who's company hires security analists that specialise in hostage situations]

page 5 reveals the emails[or rather an extract]

im sure security will note the times[as well as note EVERY comunication in and arround the'hostage'sites]

killers are british page 9
2 australians confirmed dead
[from other sources i hear 2yanks,2israelies and one brit]

hardly targeting and holding hostage
[in the real,non spin of the word]

helpfully we have in the center page
the way to know who thse murderors will likely be
next time

[ie their BATTLE fatiques are jeans,t-shirts and trainers
['trainers';a subliminal reminder of al Cia-da][duh?]
the terrorists dont wear suits
thus target kids

thus pick on the young hot heads wearing jeans[genes?]
and a blackberry[mobile phones]

the article informs is the new BREED of terrorist
-using'EVERYDAY'teqnology as a weopen of war

like phone detonation is a'new'thing
not that the phones detinated

regardless phone records
and closed circut vision will explain more

noting our white
isnt the same as indian'white'

calling indians'white'is admiting them as'higher-cast'.

this redflag play
has an interesting cast of charictors
#most on the lighter shade of pale

likely carrying a 'maritious id card,
carrying chinese grenaides....
7 credit caRDS[FROM DIFFERENT BANKS]
DRY RATIONS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN CASH

[SO CLEARLY THEY WERE SOLD ON A PROMISE TO GET AWAY]
how could they swallow that?
being welcomed by the police chief?
under orders to teminate him?

who KNOWS

doing the numbers 6 of them did get away

who are they?

I'll pre-empt comments that this post may be seen as off-topic at the outset by admitting that it may seem so. But it does have a bearing on the way people percieve the subject of the Indian attack.

Earlier on I outlined how the incident was reported here: i.e. some factual interviews with members of the Indian government and police ( which included brief outlines of the Indian history of unrest), and the fact that, as yet no-one had claimed responsibility. Resentment of British and American incursions into (what is considered) domestic problems being universally resented in Asia, this was accepted without question as the reason Americans and Brits. were targeted.

We have not been treated to public speculation by: journalists; someone who once lived in India; someone who once worked in Pakistan; Anti-muslims; people who are paid to give opinions in journals or magazines; church leaders; the ubiquitous person-in-the-street, representatives of the military or, in fact, anyone at all. Of course various blog-sites and groups have talked about it.

This incident does not scream at anyone from newspaper headlines because other incidents both at home and abroad, have happened in the interim. Without speculation to feed it, the incident itself becomes one of the many iniquities happening all over the world.

It could be opined that this is the "the party line" (whatever that is is 2008), or that the very absence of speculation is propagandising.

But couldn't one also build the case that this highlights the way in which the West propagandizes through media speculation, artificial build-up of non-news, encouraging public speculation, division, and pandering to the fears of the easily panicked?

You think?

Too true Romany. The crazier parts of the American media were spruiking it as deliberately planned to coincide with Thanksgiving and therefore an attack on the American way of life. As such, it was interpreted as a clear signal for Obama to invade Pakistan at the earliest opportunity. Nuts.

As OUG points out (or at least I think this is what s/he's saying), nobody knows the precise details and by the time they filter through they will have been through the spin cycles of several political entitites.

On the red flag business, if I understand the red flag thing right, it's obviously got some of the nuttier bulls ready for stampede, but I predict it won't have desired effect.

People are more worried about their wallets than India.
It's India, and it's so complicated nobody, including Indians, try to understand it.
It's not white country so who cares?
In Australia, Julie Bishop will be the story of the week next week, maybe even next fortnight.
Bush has sent the FBI, not the military, so it can't be all that bad, right?
The disruption to the cricket season will be more meaningful here, in India, and in Pakistan. The ICC and BCCI could sort this out way faster than all the military and police power in the world.

You want to find out who the perpetrators were and bring them to justice, foil any future terrorist attacks in the region, and ensure this never happens again? Point out to the Indian and Pakistani population, Muslim, Hindu and Christian, that they stuffed the cricket. The thing would be sorted in a week. Tops.

Just read your links, RObert.

It would appear to anyone reading them that Clinton's attack of 1998 was in retaliation to the first four attacks on the USA as detailed in http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.asp, the link that you provided.

So, basically, your information supports my viewpoint. i.e. they brought it on themselves.

Indeed, 9/11 was not the starting point but it was the major catalyst for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Austin "Clinton's attack of 1998 was in retaliation to the first four attacks on the USA " - and what were those attacks in retaliation for? When you've worked out that then check what those incidents were a retaliation for and keep going till you run out of initial incidents. Who started this? Can we really relate the initial in

The problem when we try and exclusively blame one side of a conflict like this is that when you dig a little deeper there will be something else behind it. We then have to make judgement calls about the validity of a response to provocation. It's rarely clean cut and clearly is not in this case.

R0bert

extra links here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8240#128796

some more updates

Mumbai attacks‘were a ploy to wreck Obama plan to isolate al-Qaeda’
http://www.prisonplanet.com/mumbai-attacks-%e2%80%98were-a-ploy-to-wreck-obama-plan-to-isolate-al-qaeda%e2%80%99.html

The carnage may have been an attempt to put Pakistan and India at each other’s throats and kill US hopes for the region.


Mumbai attacks - city fears five terrorists are‘missing’
http://www.prisonplanet.com/mumbai-attacks-city-fears-five-terrorists-are-missing.html

At least five terrorist gunmen have evaded capture in Mumbai and could make a secondary strike on India’s financial capital,it was feared today.

Ministers offer to quit over Mumbai attacks
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ministers-offer-to-quit-over-mumbai-attacks.html

A second top Indian politician offered to resign on Monday as the Indian government came under intense pressure over its handling of the Mumbai attacks, which claimed at least 192 lives in a rampage by a team of well-organised terrorists.

CIA Foreknowledge of the Mumbai Attacks
http://www.prisonplanet.com/cia-foreknowledge-of-the-mumbai-attacks.html
Yesterday, Outlookindia.com reported that the CIA’s station chief in Delhi approached one of India’s intelligence agencies,the Research and Analysis Wing,

and passed on a fairly specific warning.

Mumbai attacks part of ‘blowback’ for CIA double-cross
http://www.prisonplanet.com/mumbai-attacks-part-of-%e2%80%98blowback%e2%80%99-for-cia-double-cross.html

The violence that is sweeping Mumbai’s tourist and business areas is the work of rival Hindu nationalist terrorists and Muslim gangs, according to WMR’s Asian intelligence sources

Mossad role in Turkey coup plot revealed
http://www.prisonplanet.com/mossad-role-in-turkey-coup-plot-revealed.html
Israel’s national intelligence agency Mossad has been behind a failed coup in Turkey,the Turkish daily newspaper,Milliyet reports.

Massacre in Mumbai: Militants ‘could drive nuclear-armed India to brink of war with Pakistan’
http://www.prisonplanet.com/massacre-in-mumbai-militants-could-drive-nuclear-armed-india-to-brink-of-war-with-pakistan.html

Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari has appealed to India not to punish his country for last week’s attacks, saying militants could precipitate a regional war.

#related

Anti-terror laws used to snoop on nursery suspected of selling pot plants unlawfully
http://www.prisonplanet.com/anti-terror-laws-used-to-snoop-on-nursery-suspected-of-selling-pot-plants-unlawfully.html
A council used controversial anti-terror powers to spy on a nursery suspected of selling pot plants unlawfully, it has emerged.

Commons Backlash After MP Arrest
http://www.prisonplanet.com/commons-backlash-after-mp-arrest.html
Commons Speaker Michael Martin is under pressure to explain why police were allowed to raid the parliamentary office of Tory frontbencher Damian Green.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/welcome-to-soviet-britain-the-labour-heartlands-where-figures-reveal-that-half-the-population-relies-on-the-state-for-a-job.html

Labour’s public sector spending has created a wave of ‘Soviet’ boroughs where around half the population depends on the state for work, figures revealed yesterday.