Wow... so many questions.. so many creative angles on the subject.. or is it angles on 'me' :)

It surprises me though, that folks see an analysis of an overseas act of terrorism, which has claimed at least one Australian life, is not relevant to us..or.. that to discuss it is 'spreading hate'.

The 'spreading hate' allegation would without doubt have to be the biggest single cop out and shallowest of responses to a serious situation I can imagine.

"Examine the ideas behind the act" is hardly spreading hate. In fact.. all I've done so far is raise questions.

If the answers to those questions result in a particular group being confirmed as having certain unpalatable characteristics and ideas driving them.. well let the evidence take us down the appropriate path... don't get off the bus just because you hear that the destination is not quite what you thought it should be.

Pelican...your post deserves some more than scant attention.

You at least recognize that the actions in Mumbai are hate based.
But you then jump to the "reflected in our actions toward religions of different faiths" red herring.

Let me ask..IF.. it is shown that the ideology of a particular faith is seditious, dangerous, hate filled......then.. how is discussing that fact a problem? Do you squirm and shy away from talking about the values driving the Mafia because ur worried that it reflects badly on us? Hardly.. please stop being a hypocrite.

Then you ask "Do we taint the reputations of all Christians because of a Koresh"... err ...not if you examine the ideas which DRIVE him!

You cannot understand Koresh unless you know what he believed....once you know that, you can simply compare it with the Bible and find your answer.

If Jesus said "If you live by the sword you will die by the sword" and many other ANTI violence type statements.. than clearly Koresh was NOT a Christian......a compound full of semi automatic weapons and explosives? give me a break.

ROMANY.. you should be a writer :) that was a colorful image "whyyyy won't they listen"

David, what a load of pathetic self serving rubbish.

Some muslims choose to interpret their sacred texts in a way that leads to hate, many others choose not to do so. Some christains have gone down the same track and many others choose not to do so. You read their texts and see the evil and read your own and see the good.

You have a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng history on OLO of using almost any pretext you can find to attack muslims and absolve your own faith from any responsibility for wrongdoing.

You try to get FH to come listen to muslims who use their faith for hate but seem to have no problem with the naked hatred of unbelievers displayed in most of runners posts.

The acts in india are sickening and I sometimes wish there was a hell so that the perpetrators could get their reward.

Your own attempst to use these events to promote further hatred and discord are not in the same league but are contemptable. You hinder genuine discussion of the issues by your persistant attempts to misuse anything you can find to attack the competition.

Stop your pathetic bleating and look at your own behaviour. Your choice to try and use this horrific incident to further your own cause disgusts me and judging by the response many others. You are part of the problem not the solution.

R0bert

If someone other than Boaz had started this thread we'd be having a reasonable discussion about this. Is it possible to just ignore him and share information for once?

Kevin Rudd has offered Australian help to India, which I assume will involve policing if the offer is accepted. Would India accept that after the Haneef nonsense?

Also, the Indian Prime Minister has blamed neighbouring countries, which probably means Pakistan. Both have nuclear arms.

Does anyone have knowledge of the political situation in India and how that might play out? Pakistan I understand. India is a mystery. What's the Indian domestic response likely to be? Any clues?

I agree with R0bert. To extend the metaphor, we are not getting off the bus because the destination is not quite what we thought it should be. We know exactly what the destination is, we've been there before many many times. We know where it's ending up because Poly's the bus driver, it can't end up anywhere else. Buses follow a set route. Don't turn up in bus and tell me it's a cab.

FOXY and ROMANY

You ask 'why' does Poly persist in all this stuff?

I'm sure I've mentioned why many times.. or.. at least it should be apparent from my posts.

1/ Christians have been wrung out to dry financially..
to the tune of over $500,000 by a conspiratorial
and vexatious legal action by a stacked (so called)
Equal Opportunity Commission, (which employed
a person, May Helou who was ALSO on the Islamic
Council of Vic) by the representative body of
Victorian Muslims.

2/ The History of Islam shows clearly how it's
expansion is based on it's ideas. The content
of Surah 9 being of particular importance.
It was used in MOhammad's day, by his followers
after his death, and is affirmed toDAY (Literally)
by passionate Muslims who I will meet later
today at the Mind Body Spirit festival in
Melbourne; to justify expansionist actions
against non Muslims.

3/ We have a group of Muslims in RMIT seeking to Islamize the place with an exclusive mosque (which specifically excludes non Muslims) on State land. We have this same theme occurring at Monash, Melbourne Uni, Latrobe Uni.

4/ But ultimately, I seek to raise awareness about the IDEAS driving all this. There is little point in attacking just the symptom.. if you have a chronic headache, panadol will not fix the brain tuma causing it.

THE WAR OF IDEAS. Our mandate as Christians,
is to tear down the strongholds of falsehood
by spiritual weapons.. or.. non carnal weapons.
By argument, discussion, persuasion, exhortation,
interaction etc etc. This is exactly the same as
a political party seeking to advance it's ideas,
except we ought not to sink to the depths of
deception that many political organizations do.
Let the argument stand or fall on the facts.

Don't attack me.. attack the idea or facts behind
the posture. If anyone has a persuasive argument
against the facts.. it will succeed.
Thinking people know when an 'argument' is
addressed and when a person is simply
attacked because the attacker does not like their argument :)

look at how somehow
they found and killed the head of security,
and were landed by boat apparently[very james bond-ish]

it is reported that they specificlly soughtout british and americans?
to get obama/usa involved?
and the britts?

see how this is well coordinated

it is even reported they took over police vehicles[lateline reported]
the thing smells[the 'timming' is selected VERY CAREFULLY ;the day the gobbler gets its pardon from the war president

who;s 'independance day' is this serving

this thing smells like high [low] hell

lest we forget that many suicide bombers have been proved to be either retarded or under threat to kill thier families if they dont

only one SMALL group has claimed responsability

small groups are notoriously easy to take over by security agencies
[recall the 'extreemist group 'raided in the 70's ,it turned out EVERY member was a member of one security agency [or the next]

thing is this is a planned attack on india [and tourist income
even the extra bit of one israelie,NOT ALL[is like having a token 'black on the books]its like money in the bank; a credited]

[israel attacked thus clearly[lol] it must be arabs.

its just too clever by far ,too well organised

even the post that initiated this topic seems so well thunk out,
im told look at the timming [and the times]

if obama can be turned into a nervouse busche [war pres]
then the war mongers recieve a great payoff
[think who has the most to gain from that?]

anyhow as the media tells us 'the game is in play'
be watching for the double play

the more guilty the arabs look
all the better to suit non arab special op's intrest