"whether there exists an entity that could be described as God, the creator of the universe... What sort of being would he / she / it be?"

Our limited human minds tend to look for concepts that we can understand. However, reality need not conform to our personal limitations.

Conceptualizing that God is either an "entity", "creator" or "being" is an attempt to reduce God to our level, which is ridiculous.

Any attempt to provide a positive statement about God would only reduce Him, or more accurately, would give us a reduced false image of Him. The most we can say is what God is not - in fact, everything we can ever come up with, He is not.

On the other hand, nothing exists, or can ever exist, that is not God.
This includes not only "things", but also our own experiences:
all that we experience, or can ever experience, is God - nothing else exists.

Yuyutsu,

Given infinite indeterminancy, proability and the nature of entropy and thermodynamics, and, that, time itself a dimension, we don't need a Creator. The universe Is, and, necessarily must Be. Where It is, It is. Where It is not, It is not. That is, what the Universe is. It is; not I am.

Oliver,

I fail to see how your discussion of physics, supposedly as a response to what I wrote, is related to this topic:

God's nature (for lack of words - please do not imply that I say here that God has a nature) does not depend on whether the world that we live in requires a creator or not.

Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 12:17:49 PM

..>>Given infinite indeterminancy..>>

given it is a real word/,
INFINITE INTERMEDIATE IS A NONSENSE
>>..pro-ability and the nature of en-tropy..<<

again with the words that have your SPELL-ing
yet so vague and ineffectual so as to be revealed as fluff

please explain more about the terms you feel are a fullsum response

>>..and thermodynamics,..<
wtf?
#
..>> and, that, time itself a dimension,...<<

time is a dimen-sion?
please verify if you really believe this
hoew does one measure progress through your [this ] dimension?

of which you speak?

your rambelings are quite ridiculous to a thinking person

[regardless its just the inane rambling of words,
not any validation[nor proof]

just mindless buzz words

..>>we don't need a Creator.<<.

ok reveal your PROOF
try to use real words

..>>The universe Is, and, necessarily must Be..<<

please verify how it must have?
why it must be ?
how it can not be #?[if faulsifiable]

it is
thus it is being
as it is[in time]

>>.. Where It is, It is.
Where It is not, It is not...<<

that is an absurdity yet again

if it is
it is[FULLstop]

if it is not
where it is not
this is subject to being validated

how you know where it is ,is not really validation
thus it has nothing

..>> That is, what the Universe is.
It is;..>>

glad we agree on something

no idea what the heck proof the last bit is
>>.. not I am...<<

of course you are not[lol]

but i can prove you are because i read your words
thus you are that as i feel you are[at a minimum]

as cert-ified by me saying
you are

because i am verifying that you are visably responding
to the known known that i am[such as i am revealing such as you are]

The claim that three million people heard God speak appears in every intact Torah scroll ever found:

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/proof-torah-true.htm

http://torahideals.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/what-is-the-definition-of-objective-history/

That is 3 million eyewitness accounts of a single event in history (Mass hypnosis? Outright lie?).

You might not be orthodox davidf, but to relegate the Torah to the realm of myth and allegory is surely beyond even the reformists?

Let’s then ask a different Rabbi. Rabbi Dr. Dovid Gottlieb, gives very good insight into the verification of the biblical record:

http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/2053

“But in the case of the Bible, archaeology has revealed the exact opposite. Archaeology has uncovered a myriad of details, details that the Bible records about the quality of life and the conditions of life of the Patriarchs which turn out to be accurate to the last detail. These details are accurate in ways that are utterly inexplicable if you think that this is a normal process of myth formation. “

At the very least, the Torah is a record of Jewish and Christian history, and in important part of the historical record for the Middle East.

I would venture to say, as Dr Gottlieb suggests, that it should be the benchmark by which all other historical texts are tested.

Dear Katie O,

If you want to believe that everything in the Torah is true then you will believe it. If the Torah relates that 3,000,000 people heard the word of God all that means is that some unknown person wrote that 3,000,000 people heard the word of God. It does not mean that the statement is fact. The only fact is that some unknown person wrote that 3,000,000 people heard the word of God.

There are four ways to regard the Bible. Homiletic or preaching, literal, allegory and hidden meaning. Many Jewish, Catholic and Protestant clergy make the Song an allegory – the love between Yahweh and Israel, the love between Christ and the church and, the love between God and man’s soul respectively. That is one part of the Bible that I take literally as an erotic love poem. Go argue with the clergy who think it's an allegory.

The Bible is neither a history book nor a science text. Claiming that it is history does not make it history. It is not true that archaeology verifies the bible. There is no archaeological evidence of the tumbling walls of Jericho.