Innocent children being swept away by flood waters, toddlers drowning in back yard pools, young siblings falling into the sea and drowning, father as well, innocent people being run down and killed by drunken fools, fools that apparently became drunk, drove their cars and killed under the watchful eye of this so called god, toddlers being struck down with shocking illnesses, often fatal and you followers flock to your places of worship by the thousands to praise the works of this so called god, the all mighty. That is providing he didn't tear your roof off it in one of his fits of rage (storm).

All I can say is that He, she, it - what every you followers call it would have to be the cruellest thing ever to draw breath, that is if it exists other than in your minds.

For the record, I don't have a problem with people who chose to follow god, but why do you have to ram your beliefs down my throat at every opportunity.

Now once someone can offer an explanation as to why your god does this to 'his children' as you often refer, then I will start to give serious consideration as to whether or not there is a god.

Rehctub

Perhaps God is utterly indifferent to what happens to humans.

We occupy one planet orbiting one star in one galaxy. That galaxy is one of billions. In fact the number of galaxies in our universe may be infinite.

It is possible that our entire universe is one of many, perhaps an infinite number, embedded in a multiverse.

So maybe God just sets things up and lets events run their course. Maybe God does not track what happens to individuals on any planet let alone Earth.

Christians punt a "loving God." Muslims keep saying "Allah is merciful."

BUT HOW WOULD THEY KNOW?

The bible is a bit of interesting history interspersed with much legend.

The koran is a compendium of seventh century claptrap.

The real actual God, assuming such exists, is probably nothing like the deities depicted in any human "scripture."

What the atheists here are really saying is this:

GOD DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE VISION OF GOD DEPICTED IN THE KORAN / BIBLE THEREFORE GOD DOES NOT EXIST.

That is not a logical argument. It's as bad as Muslims saying I know about God because of the koran.

It's like saying the real Einstein was not like the avuncular figure depicted in some biographies therefore Einstein never existed.

I EXPECTED BETTER OF ATHEISTS.

Unshackle your minds from human scripture and try and figure out what sort of entity God could be. AND STOP ANTHROPOMORPHISING.

stevenlmeyer,

Your comment

What the atheists here are really saying is this:

GOD DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE VISION OF GOD DEPICTED IN THE KORAN / BIBLE THEREFORE GOD DOES NOT EXIST.

Is not an accurate summation.

We know that God does not exist, and merely trying to understand why humanity has the need for a god figure, and exploring the forms created within the different religions.

As his existance is a matter of faith and cannot be proved one way or another debate on this is futile.

Your requirements for an intelligent debate are totally unreasonable, stevenlmeyer.

But you are as guilty of fuzzy thinking as any of us, I'm afraid.

>>Perhaps God is utterly indifferent to what happens to humans... maybe God just sets things up and lets events run their course. Maybe God does not track what happens to individuals on any planet let alone Earth.<<

It might be useful, given the above, if you were to give us some idea of what, in your opinion, God is?

The concept of God is primarily used to comfort people who cannot imagine there not being "someone out there" looking after their interests. Therefore the idea of an indifferent God cannot by definition exist - what would be the point?

>>Unshackle your minds from human scripture and try and figure out what sort of entity God could be<<

You have two problems with this request.

Atheists already know that God is a mental construct, and can only exist in the minds of people who believe in it. If you ask them to "imagine what sort of entity it might be", you are asking them to imagine what it might be like to actually believe in one - there is no abstract concept to work with, since the definitions are all entirely personal.

Similarly, religious people already know exactly what their God looks like, what it says, what it does, and what it will do to them if they transgress whatever rules it has laid down. There is no imagination required. All the images, rules, laws, rewards and punishments have all been determined and prescribed. They are able to conveniently ignore that all these images, rules, laws, rewards and punishments were actually drawn up by humans, and find it puzzling when others do not share the same illusions that they do.

If you are looking for new ideas on the topic, stevenlmeyer, I think you may need to ask a different question.

Oh, I see that you already have. I'll pop over and take a look.

Philo,

Would you adopt the position that non-Christians even pagan Roman and Creeks of antiquity worshipped owing to the presence of the Holy Spirit? There seem to have respected divinity and anthromorphised characteristics. Interestingly, they felt monothesism, atheistic, wherein one must believe in a gods to be a theist.

O.

turnLEFTturnrightQUOTE..>>Even if you believe them, scripture bears no relevance to this chain of logic..<<

the topic is what sort of entity is god


so as the scriptures are key
not quoting them seems an absurdity
i give that god can be found without them
but they do give great pointers

[verfiable faulsifiables in fact]
[that havnt been disproven

..>>Omniscience can't learn - to admit god is an intelligence, is to admit there are things god does not know..<<

here is an aid for you to see
see a mere fly has 100,s of 'eye's

see that every eye connects to logus[logic]
all seeing is equivelent to omnipresence ,

what our eyes see [our ears hear]
so does he[LOGUS/logic]
reveal to the seer what he sees[hears]

god is NOT capable of making mistakes
,because logic
is the act of seeing hearing knowing.

[see he is yet on his sabbath;7th day]

you cant understand the full meaning of gods 7 th day sabbath by doimg anything ,

only by forcing thyself to do nix[nothing]
to as thy father
[light sustaing life via love into logic]

and to have ULTIMATE faith
thy children have logic deserving of their fathers trust

..>>On the other hand, if we have a god that is all seeing, but can't make changing decisions, then we may as well have nothing..<<

think of it as a parent
allowing his own beloved child to fall

knowing it isnt real
[KNOWing death or permant injury to his spirit'being'[avitar] isnt really real
because good [via god] alone
is alowed reality in the place the father resides
[our hearts united by the one love]

..>>That would merely be fate - nothing can change its direction, it's predestined. Therefore, everything we do is irrelevant..<<

every-'thing' has its conception AND enactment[deed/fruit]

doing nothing is not an option[we either eat or die]
when we die
we soon real-ise were not dead]

[we then find out then every thing we did do was relivant]

that we loved to do more will be given

EVEN that doo doo we didnt do
yet has its fruits