Yeh, well that`s probably the smartest comment that 'anybody`s' made.

Would that be A Rare insight Veronica.?

Mean Time I think Fractelle`s comment made it.
Posted by Fractelle, Sunday, 23 November 2008 12:50:01 PM

Like I said- my comment was mainly to point out that by 'majority' woman spoke out about 'Animal Cruelty in scientists testing' on animals more often then men 'ah, Veronica"'

but you keep right on demanding that intellectual rigour is still thriving on this forum while - we keep on demanding some common deceny in the way in which out animals are treated.

More evidence that the reasons for the relative paucity among women in the higher echelons of science is NOT gender discrimination comes from a report issued by the policy forum at Washington University.

Quote:

"….By comparing funding rates of women and men for early-career grants, they found "that funding success rates for nearly all grants were essentially equal for men and women, regardless of degree" and say that the data suggest that women are CHOOSING to leave the NIH-funded career path…" (Emphasis added)

The report goes on to express the hope that the NIH and others will develop strategies to retain women.

Don't exactly come across as bunch of misogynists do they?

See:

http://www.genome-technology.com/

Men do it real well.

They know how to smash atoms and get nuclear explosions to crush enemies and how to make death rays to fry people( the warrior they never bind up).
They even know how to rip up the earths minerals and chop down all of its trees to convert to dollars and then its off to enjoy pleasures and lusts.

*NASA...the vain glory of men trying to get mankind to the stars rather than save a dying earth.

I think if men hadnt been so proud, they might have let more women into science, and reaped a wonderful harvest.
What woman would want earth destroyed for pride?
There would be so very few.

Many dont know it but the Bible preaches that there is no inequality between men and women in this New Testament age.
God regards women as equals to men.

stevenlmeyer

So as you say there must be another reason.

Ok You dont like some of the reasons I posted.
As you seem to think you have all of the answers why not just tell us- What is it?
If its not the fact men are promoted above women most times- And its not the having Children Issue..
Then perhaps you might like to consider some of the other reasons we posted.

Either way Its not a major thing really is it.
I mean the men are pretty happy with their old boys club as far as I can see.

Gibo,

No I didnt know that either- interesting.
Can you post the verse ...
Either way be kind to one another and the Animals.
Cheers

Steven: "In the current climate what academic who values his job, pension, research grants, promotion prospects and salary would DARE say anything else?"

Absolutely none, which is a crying shame. I think what happened to Summers was appalling, and appears to show that, as a culture, we're not yet mature enough to honestly investigate the differences between men and women.

Yabby, you make several excellent points. Generalised differences between the sexes exist. The problem is that people fly to the conclusion that this boxes them into their gender script, which it of course doesn't. I am 5"9, my brother 5"8. While this flies in the face of averages, I remain 5"9. I still think relative heights a useful area of study.

We will never get to a stage where both men and women can reach their inherent potential until we move past politicising the scientific arguments about gender differences. Having a discussion about gender vis a vis scientific ability should have no bearing on any particular individual's employability in the scientific community. It should be the best scientist for the job every time, male or female.

(But while I'm on this ride of agreeing with Yabby, I must say that the idea of women sleeping their way to the top is anachronistic. If it was true I would be a doctor by now.

Galatians 3:28 PALE
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus".

Dakes Annotated Reference Bible says of this scripture, "All christians are one in unity, in rights, and in priveleges as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one..."

As God sends men to preach... He likewise sends women.

I ran away from a preaching one Sunday many, many years ago when I found out that a woman was going to preach ("I'm having nothing to do with that", was my attitude) only to lob at another church to have a woman preach:)

God sure showed me that very day about bad attitudes towards women.

He showed me that day that women can do anything He calls them to; and that He does call many...and that many are called into many different walks of life to do jobs that men cannot do; or are called to counteract the damage that men do do, in certain instances.
The steadying hand of the female.

The woman I ended up with that Sunday was unique in all of Christianity...I came to find out.

She had a God-given Gift to bring people to repentence just by looking at them and extending a few small words into their hearts.
I never came across another preacher like her...not even a man.
Some similar...but none like her.
She was a real Deborah.
Women get a bad deal frequently because men wont let them rise to their God-extended abilities.