Hello OUG, Eucalyptus dude here.

“[like our eucalyptus dude earlier]who isnt a complete botanist[nor evolutionist but an expert on eucalypt's ALONE]”

What an extraordinary statement. How on earth would you know what I am an expert in, or what sort of a botanist I really am?

You’ve just made a hard and fast statement purported to be fact, for which you don’t have a skerrick of evidence.

Well done!

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hey ludwig good to seee you back i see your still only reacting [not responding] i assumed the not being a botanist thing because your best 'evidence' was cane toads and wild cats

[i figure were you a real botanist you would be able to describe botanical aspects regarding evolution[things like that remarkable siano bacteria that is a plant[but with the right input [manure] becomes an 'animal'

but you never expanded on your expertise [claimed expertise][and i missjudged you [so for this i apollo-gise] in my defense i will note one of your quotes
[yes there are more
[thus QUOTE

>>But no, I don’t think that ideology-induced blindness or sheer stupidity are incurable...<<

i sort of took that as was intended [personally]but you wernt finished

>>I don’t think we should for one moment just sit back and accept that a large portion of the populace suffers from these conditions and that a much more sensible outlook on life and our collective future isn’t eminently achievable.>>
Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 22 November 2008 1:46:38 PM

anyhow no hard feelings?

NOW CAN WE HAVE THE FACTS
anything related to evolution
[or its root or its veryfiable fact based assumptions]

if using links point out what part of the link you believe relates to the aspect your asserting proves EVOLUTION.

what is your fields anbiogensis?
give me an intermediate
how many 'gaps' in botany
[you do a masters[where can i critique it?

anytime you need some discussion on the topic feel free[i dont take things personally] but i know the weakness inherant in a god less creation[there are many[but of course that aint the topic]

the TOPIC IS EXPLAIN your surity
[and i will explain why we shouldnt be that sure we wernt lied to] ,the theory is far from scientific, thus it remains a theory, and i just love being able to see if it can be faulsifried

cheers
come on bro give some science to underpin the evolving theory

just to prove my good faith

[i been yet again searching for proof of abiogensis or evolution] but so many of the links dont seem to work; anyhow here is some more to help you evolutionists out a bit

from
http://darwiniana.org/abiogenesis.htm

[quote>>and
Evolution

Links to our Past

News of the Present

Insight for the Future

Alfred R. Wallace
© Linnean Society of London

Abiogenesis—Origins of Life Research..>>

[note there is a graph here that begins with first life [it didnt copy] but check out the note as follows'

<<The period of abiogenesis is here represented by the words "First Life ?" It is not part of evolution.>> [lol?]

>>What Is Abiogenesis?

Abiogenesis is about the origin of life.

Evolution, technically, is about what happened after life arose on Earth.

Life origins studies proceed under a number of hypotheses and remain very tentative during this early period of investigation<<[lol]

so darwin cant help

so tried a few others

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13101534.html

then came across a creation website[who are offereing a million bucks for anyone who can just come up with a theory!

''The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. is offering a million dollars to anyone who can demonstrate that life could indeed evolve spontaneously''

http://www.uark.edu/~cdm/creation/life.htm

its no good to me
[i STILL rekon god did it] #

but darn isnt there an evilootionist who needs the cash
JUST FOR EXPLAINING their theory logicly

anyhow keep on searching[one day you all just might figure out how god did it[unless we extinct ourselves first]

“NOW CAN WE HAVE THE FACTS”

You’ve got to admit OUG that the contrast here is absolutely extreme. That is, between you drawing conclusions based on no hard evidence whatsoever and entirely on what you’ve read in a couple of my posts!

“i assumed the not being a botanist thing because your best 'evidence' was cane toads and wild cats”

My goodness! As well as all the evidence that I gave for eucalypts, I mentioned cane toads and feral cats. So that must mean I’m not a complete botanist. Riiiiiight!!

You drew conclusions based on practically nothing. In this case you’ve drawn totally incorrect conclusions. I’ve got no reason to think that this would be unusual for you.

And yet you demand not only copious evidence, but proof before you will reach the conclusion that every single person on this thread believes, except you.

That’s waaay toooo whacky for me.

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Heaps of FACTS in support of evolution has been presented on this thread. There are zero facts anywhere for the support of creationism.(Now that's a hard and fast statement of fact if ever there was one!)

If you want to dismiss the facts that I presented regarding eucalypts, cane toad and cats, and dismiss my comments on autogenesis, the go right ahead.

It is time for you to start questioning your own brain biases….and I must say; they appear to extreme - especially the manner in which you appear to draw conclusions over things that you want to believe compared to the total brick wall that you put up regarding things that you don’t want to believe, or perhaps won’t admit that you really do believe.

If you want to dismiss the facts that I presented regarding eucalypts, cane toad and cats, and dismiss my comments on autogenesis, the go right ahead.

Don’t get out there in your beautiful part of the world. Don’t go have a good look at a patch of strawberry gums. Don’t see if you think that each individual in a population is identical or whether there is obvious variation in the basic characters; leaves, flowers and nuts. Don’t even think of doing your own observations and then giving it some deep thought regarding evolutionary history in line with my previous comments. Don’t do anything except put up a complete barrier to it all in your own mind.

It’s no skin off my nose.

I don't really care what you chose to believe UOG. Where I do care is when religion is forced upon school children as in the case of Dover recently air on SBS as "Day of Judgement". Scientists were expected to provide volumes of evidence, which they did only to be told by the IDer's "I reject all of the evidence - I believe and intelligent designer did everything" - WITHOUT HAVING TO OFFER A SHRED OF PROOF.

Just as you are doing here. Much thought, research and consideration has been offered only for you to reject it all. On what basis? That god did it.

Evolution is more than fossil records, it is the basis for all our understanding of biology, botany, medicine and the relatively new sciences of gene technology and DNA.

We can observe evolution happening around us every day as viruses evolve immunity to anti-biotics to the longer term breeding of animals for specific purposes. Look at the difference between a dachshund and a great dane.

An interesting article on the origin of domesticated dogs is below showing human intervention in evolution:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2498669.stm

"Dogs today come in all shapes and sizes, but scientists believe they evolved from just a handful of wolves tamed by humans living in or near China less than 15,000 years ago.

Three research teams have attempted to solve some long-standing puzzles in the evolution and social history of dogs.

Their findings, reported in the journal Science, point to the existence of probably three founding females - the so-called "Eves" of the dog world.

They conclude that intensive breeding by humans over the last 500 years - not different genetic origins - is responsible for the dramatic differences in appearance among modern dogs."

What I also care about, UOG, is your cynical manipulation of many intelligent people participating in a game of your making. You were never sincere, I know this because your refutations on all that has been provided for your edification has simply been dismissed without any foundation or evidence on your part.

"God did it" is not evidence, it is superstition.