Gibo,

Overall it has been considered that legalising porn leads to an overall reduction in sex crime. Some people however, may find that availability of porn may create an addiction that can lead to sex offences. It's like blaming all alcohol drinkers for all the alcohol fueled violence in society. Most people enjoy alcohol and drink responsibly, but a handful of idiots drink purely for the purpose of getting drunk.

I do not like porn, and would like to see it eradicated just like you, however I would oppose any means to do this through legislation. We need to convince the girls that this is not a very good career choice, (What are they going to do when they get older, and are no longer in demand?). We need to convince men not to want to view this material (It can be highly addictive. How would you like to see your sister/ daughter/ niece is such a publication?). I find porn unfulfilling so I leave it alone. I do not however consider non sexual nudity to be porn. It is the flood of porn in society that is causing hysteria against healthy nudity or partial nudity - ie the Bill Henson debate, nudist clubs & beaches and even breast feeding.

Ah, the sweet taste of freedom.

Does it taste good to you too Polyboaz?

Yes Buggy... it does indeed.. and let me give you chapter and verse for that :)

Gal 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

Paul was arguing against those who tried to use RELIGIOUS LAW as a means of controlling people. But he also sounds a warning.....

5:13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love.

WHICH... leads me to comment on SOFISU's post.

Sofi.. those Victorian women WERE 'bold' and naughty.. relative to their culture. But the more important issue is...WHY would they want to flagrantly go against the known dress standard of the day?
aaaaah.. me thinks I smell 'wanton-ness'? :)

THEN...your other bit about you "wish men would embrace this and make some sort of effort themselves"....huh?

No.. we are not easily exploited by shallow fashion industry Zars who just want more of our money by convincing us that we are less than human or unnattractive unless we buy their new range.

But of course.. BE CAREFUL what you wish for.. or BELLY (with his self confessed HUGE pot) will be wandering around Swanston st in SPEEDO'S.. oh.. aargh.. yikes... the thought alone is enough to make me seek therapy :)

The other aspect of your 'follow the trend mindlessly' post was that it is underpinned by the idea that "more flesh is better" ..and I disagree on that.

"looking good" might be code for "looking alluring" which is tantamount to a sign "There is not much more to me than my boobs and butt" or.."Chest, Bisceps and Buns" for blokes.

You have a very low opinion of women as well, it would appear, Boaz.

>>"looking good" might be code for "looking alluring" which is tantamount to a sign "There is not much more to me than my boobs and butt"<<

It is a good job I don't pretend a knowledge of amateur psychology, as some do.

Otherwise, I'd have a field day with that little lot.

A passing thought - was it perhaps one of the faults that caused you to beat your daughter?

Oh, sorry, I promised no amateur psychology, didn't I.

Dear Pericles... that was a cheap and low shot, and I think everyone will recognize it to be utterly contemptable.

Once again.. a-gain.. you seek to turn a serious thread into beligerance and mockery against a person.

Cheap...low.. shabby.. etc etc etc.

Let me expand on your (barely) contribution to the topic (rather than sink to the bottom feeder/creeping thing level of constantly reminding people about things they themselves freely disclosed oh.. about 2 or 3 yrs ago?)

"Looking good" in the way that phrase is generally used (and in the context of this thread content) seems to mean to show off more of their sexually linked charms. Breasts.. legs... facial makup etc for females.

It all depends on what one considers to be "looking good".. if it means looking "sexually alluring" and actually emphasizing that, then I suggest it is a pretty shallow self presentation and expression of values which are not enduring.

But more to the point.. I think it reflects just how much women have been manipulated and brain washed by the fashion industry.
You know you have arrived when the very thing you deliberately sought to manipulate is actually embraced by your target audience as "we do it because we like it" rather than digging beyond that to "Perhaps I like it because I've been persuaded that I need to be this way in order to succeed in the relationships market"

The evidence is there for all of us to see.. just walk down the street.

I'd hope girls at least ask the question.

"The problem is not 'DISliking'..it's the opposite :) "

And I've quoted the appropriate bible verse's previously regarding what chrstains are supposed to do if their eye's are causing them to sin.

Strangely none of the fundies seem to want to take those verse's literally.

R0bert