CJ,
“I've mostly stayed out of this silly thread out of humanitarian tolerance for people with disabilities.”
Hilarious!
And like you, I found this topic quite entertaining. I’ll have a quick read of the 9/11 Truth thread today; haven’t seen it yet but it sounds highly amusing, too.

I’ve always had an interest in cults, sects etc because I find it highly entertaining to observe nutters. On the other hand, I find it sad that these people brainwash their children, especially when they home-school their kids.

Years ago, I took a job that was advertised by the Church of Scientology (in Sydney) for my own entertainment, pretending to “believe”.
It was very amusing to watch scientologists talk to big teddy bears, and worship a huge photo of Ron Hubbard every morning and afternoon by (really loudly!) reciting some kind of brainwashing poem.
Overall they shouted and clapped a lot.

You actually had to study and work really hard from 8-5 (completely useless knowledge and work, of course) so when the novelty wore off after 3 weeks, I left.

I find it puzzling why intelligent people, like the ones mentioned by Graham Young, would believe in creationism. My guess is that they never took the trouble finding out what the evolution theory comprises- it’s much easier to disregard it when you know very little about it.

Gibo,
“No wonder committed christians see evolution as just another cult.”
Christians are only committed if they bag the evolution theory? That puts the Pope in the ‘uncommitted Christians’ group.
Were YOU there at the beginning?

Richie,
I know that there used to be an inland sea somewhere in northwest QLD and there might be some other areas that used to have lakes that have now dried up. I don’t know about the particular finds you’re talking about but I’m sure that the Townsville Marine Museum will be able to answer your questions if you’re interested.

This is probably my last post because I don’t see the point in continuing the discussion any longer.

Celivia: "This is probably my last post because I don’t see the point in continuing the discussion any longer."

Me too. I have had some fun though. I never expected Gibo et al, to gain anything from my mussels parable, after all one cannot reason with someone who glibly admits he doesn't like to use his brain. However, I do believe I have assisted in preventing further wastage of those delicious molluscs; the mussel. Just goes to show how easy it is to believe something based on no more evidence than someone writing it down and proclaiming it to be true.

I predict a mussel feast in my future.

Cheers everyone.

Gibo,

In fairness, I did follow your link, and read through the cited Creationist presentation at the Website... If the lions did not eat the lambs because they were vegetarian lions... What did the lions and all the other vegetarian animals eat, after the water destroyed all of their food supply?

Life requires energy. Food supplies energy. If there is no source of food, there is no supply of energy to sustain life. I posit that a substantial counter position.

EVO,

What is freighting is that huge populations of people, genetically no different from us, once held this and other myths, as dominant beliefs.

We, and our modern civilization, have only tiniest slither of circumstance; the application of scientic epistlemology* to techniques and the Enlightenment, in the Great Divergence; between us, and, an absolute ignorance of our true ourselves and the natural world/universe.

* Derived from Ancient Greek knowledge/philosphy preserved in Muslim Spain.

Richie 10,

I think your marine species are fossils of creates whom died millions of years ago. Plate tectonics have changed the landscape/seascape.

I don't is it the reason in this specific case, however, plate tectonics created the Owen Stanleys and that high mountain range changed weather patterns, over geological time, causing Australia's inland sea to evaporate.

Humans as history has shown are slow learners.

Many still seek the support of the supernatural,
yet the same people would not forgo the benefits
of modern medicine.

The inconsistency is dramatic.

I too am now leaving this debate.

Greatly disappointed - in myself mainly.

It was absurd of me to think that there could
be a debate with people who admit that they
won't use their brain.

Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 2 November 2008 7:25:26 PM

Pretty much with you on that post. I actually think that the discussion topic was quite ingenuous and deliberately misleading. Gibo framed the debate around a question that he/she should have answered, after all, the burden of proof falls upon the creationists to prove their bible myths.

I think Gibo had no intention of open debate, there has been the usual biblical quotes to answer posts and when the questions and challenges posed are too difficult to explain by a bible quote or faith, they are simply ignored.

I think Gibo used the indulgence of OLO as a forum for preaching aggressive christianity, there was never any intention of genuine debate - and it shows!

I'll leave the last words to the late great Frank Zappa:

"...If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine -- but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good -- and CARES about any of it -- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working..."