*Australian Government shows support for Australia's red meat industry*

The Australian Government has joined the red meat industry in hosting a barbecue at Parliament House in Canberra to showcase local produce. The event was designed to raise awareness among Members of Parliament and Senators of Australia’s world-class red meat industry and its importance to rural communities. Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry Tony Burke and Chairman of Meat & Livestock Australia Don Heatley jointly hosted the barbecue, which is likely to become an annual event. Read the minister's media release online.

Well deary Me! Is this all Rudd intends to DO!! about the live export trade that has exposed the government again.

He`s having a nice little BBQ. Well Mr Rudd it just so happens I was at the pale office when your advisor for Agriculture called and said=
oh but if we are elected- Kevin Rudd and ALP y0u might be surprised what WE intend to do about live exports.

The President smiled and said- Surprised, No, I dont think so but Mr Yosseff but tell me anyway.

He went on top say the Mr Rudds advisor Burnie suggested that Kevin Rudd contacted the pale office to let them them know that ALP were serious about stopping live exports if they were elected.

Sure you were Mr Rudd . As your Minister ( at the time) pointed out he had more letters from the public about the cruelty of live exports than any other topic you clearly had to aprove the pitch on Land Line just two weeks out from the federal elections.

So Mr Rudd you should remember the elections WILL roll around again rather quickly.

I for one and my family womt forget your unethical approach and outright lies thats for sure.

The first party to stop live export and put the money back into Australian regional areas will win the next elections Mr Rudd.

Pity you were not smart enough to see that intsead of telling lies.


Enjoy your BBQ Mr Rudd and remember we dont forget your broken promises and the millions of suffering animals.

PALE,
I want to say from the onset, that if your object is to reduce or stop the live export trade, you are on the right track in trying to get more animals slaughtered here. From what I read and hear it seems that potential investors are reluctant to put up the funds to aquire or build more facilities because of economic considerations.

Most Australians would support the concept as it means greater employment, but it has to be economic to do so. Not only are our high employment costs a problem but investors have to ensure adequate facilities are in place at delivery points. The big factor in favour of live exports is that the product is self sustained untill the animal is slaughtered at destination and as long as exporters continue to pay far more for the required stock then farmers will sell to them.

I think Pale understands all of this but many other animal welfare organizations do not. By all means, point out transport problems and death rates as improvements here cuts losses to the exporters and means they can pay more to the farmers. Keeping in mind the cost of improvements as in any business.

I have not heard from Jim Dwyer, but I guess you will read this when you return. You must ensure that anything you say as fact must be so. If I can see reason to question some of what you say, then any good lawyer or politician would chew you up and spit you out. Thus reducing your credibility to nothing. Shippers and exporters have invested heavily in their industry and will fight to retain it.

Anyway good luck with endeavours to attract investors. If only one starts up, and it is viable, then others will follow. I cannot see this happening in the near future.

Lyn White, and Animals Australia have, as always, come out with a superb campaign. TarynW, what you consistently fail to recognise is:-

1. Each animal advocacy group has its own philosophies and strategies and are therefore not likely to divert from them in favour of those of another group. Each runs its campaign in line with how it sees the key issues. PALE's way has been shown NOT to be the only way

2. For whatever reason, they do not want to work with PALE's philosophy and strategy, and that is their choice. Please can we not turn this thread into yet another soapbox for PALE.

3. A diversity of philosophies and strategies is crucial to any debate - and effective campaigning

My personal opinion is a bit more inclined to Banjo's - farmers will sell to the highest bidder, regardless of the shocking outcome that produces for their animals. Animals Australia gives farmers far too much credit in that regard. They would have to be on another planet not to know what happens in the Middle East. They also give too much credit to the butchers of the Middle East; they know what they do is "unlawful" according to their own religion, but it appears that they enjoy the brutal bloodbaths too much to do it any differently.

An example of the reality of just how little their religious precepts matter is Animal Liberation's recent blessing of the animals (by a priest into the Christian faith) in Fremantle - that should make them "unlawful" for Muslim consumption ('that over which the name of another deity has been proclaimed'). They were sent anyway.

But, Banjo, a lot of what has been invested in this trade (and judging by the standard of the ships, the almost total lack of monitoring and enforcement of the ALES IN Australia, and the hopeless failure in addressing the cruelty in the Middle East it would appear to have been largely wasted) has been TAXPAYERS' dollars. And the government should not be able to put that on MY conscience.

Nicky

Banjo,

Hello my name is Taryn Winter.




I love animals and i`v worked in abattoirs. I support the drive to reopen Abattoirs here.

Pale`s efforts to reopen abattoirs behind the scenes are 'bitterly opposed' by other animal groups.

I have a message from PALE leader for you. (Wendy) +I will copy the part that refers to you.

The message starts-

Hey, Banjo what are you doing for the rest of your life:)
Please email us through this site to collect your prize which is a free share in HKM:)
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

You’re the first person to understand ‘some of the problems.

Thanks for the heads up on Jim. Taken onboard your comments.

We have been asking him to speak into a tape recorder.
That’s a big deal for Jim as he still does all his business by hand written letters. No computers in his life. Now resides on water from canal at the Ile of Capri on the Gold Coast.

Mark Townend the RSPCA QLD CEO met him in 2003. He was amazed by his knowledge. Great old bloke.

Banjo just a couple of things regarding your comments until I get back from the bush.

You said =*potential investors are reluctant to put up the funds to acquire or build more facilities because of economic considerations.*

pale replies.

Yes to a point that is true. However it doesn’t matter which country it is they no matter what feel if they are investing they “have” to be assured of that particular Governments support ..

This is not the case with the Australian Governments both State and Federal despite what they may tell the public.

MLA Austrade Farmers Federations etc IMO bend over backwards to keep Aussie farmers miles away from the buyers in the middle east or anywhere else for that matter.

AQIS control export licenses so I know you will use your imagination as to how hard it would be for an old farmer to obtain his export license- not to mention any accreditations for Halal.... etc.

message continued

The big one is the Australian Government have put conditions on the Abattoir industry to bring in skilled labor that does not exist in any other industry.

I agree with your comment = *Most Australians would support the concept as it means greater employment, but it has to be economic to do so*

It’s hard but all we need to do is to get the truth out to the public. The way to do that is to have all Animal Welfare groups’ Australian wide working to contact local farmers and helping us to introduce the interested investors into the Australian regional areas.

Once that is done the message would be well and truly out there and we can take it from there. Many of the investors hold their own pretty big punch with the Government.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23413834-5006786,00.html

Of course pigs might fly mate before Animals Australia get onboard our project so we are going it alone.

Hey Banjo I would like to add mate I think Lyn White is fantastic. Its not her fault. One day I hope we can put her in a position of having real power with big funding.

Catch you on my return. I won’t miss the flies mate Yo.
Cheers + Thanks.

Message ends.

TarynW, Things are hard too when there is cruelty to People from other people, as one daughter-in-law pointed out when I explained the cruelty in live Animal export.

I lived in the town in a rented caravan then a house & worked at the Charleville abattoir in 2000 to mid 2001. not long but I had a couple of mishaps as well as so far away from family & friends. Your refer to the Sheep & Goat, halal abattoir closing in March this year, but it re opened the very next month.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/14/2215736.htm

The mining industry is in Boom time here in Australia, and workers flock from all parts of Australia and many from overseas, not for the lifestyle, but the money. I have seen it slump, & the workers turn their hand at fruit picking & abattoir work and grumblings about low pay. Still, the same people like cheap foodstuff.