http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/news/agents-take-a-trip-down-memory-lane/1333386.aspx?src=enews

http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/slideshowplayer.aspx?id=3869

http://fw.farmonline.com.au/news/state/livestock/news/priests-blessing-for-live-ex-stock/1332192.aspx

No wonder the news report on this grand dinner was kept to a few short words in the Country Life Paper.

They were all there- Landmark Elders and others. I just wonder how short their memories really are because nobody can forget their track record of gross Animal cruelty.

Perhaps those who are interested in common decency towards our Australian Animals could help these people out with their trip down memory lane.

Does anybody have recollections of some of these trips?

Who could forget the Cormo for example.

Let’s see if we can help them with ```memories.```

We can try and fight such ignorance, thanks for the informative links.We have been educated to shop at the supermarkets and ask no questions, so you get no lies. Your fight is a bit like mine re water quality for folk living in small towns and working in the mining industry with a few rural workers who live in these towns.
http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/state/agribusiness-and-general/general/water-for-coal-threatens-fitzroy-basin/1323904.aspx

Beef to Russia, do you know if it is meat, or live export? Will the Russians cry poor, like they did with the Wheat a few years back, I wonder! http://fw.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/cattle/russian-market-the-future-for-australian-beef/1328428.aspx

For your information ma edda:

Major Australian exports to Russia (2007):

• Meat (excluding bovine) - A$95 million
• Bovine meat - A$38 million
• Raw hides and skins (except furskins) - A$29 million
• Live animals - A$14 million **

** Courtesy of our depraved and sadistic Australian government and their cruel connections!

ma edda,

We thank you also for your interesting links and look forward to responding in a more detailed manner.

I am off to the bush to organise- You guessed it water. Then off to a town which has been brought out by the mining industry.

Of course you do know our now PM Kevin Rudds from QLD and his track record on water years ago dont you.

The old farmers up there still havent got over it and they wll never forget.

dickies, comment requires futher explaination which I will attempt to tackle upon my return.

Sadly ma edda there is not enough basic education going out to the main stream public. Those who take an interest such as Dickie have every right to refer to the Government as the depraved and sadistic Australian government with their cruel connections



We must educate the people in simple lay terms why we hold the government to account. We all know the Government will say Live Animal Exports is driven by the industry itself. In other words they are telling the Australian public other countries must have these animals alive.

Its a bit like your water mining V Ag in a fashion.

Why indeed has the Government have done cart wheels to protect this cruel trade for their buddies in this industry.

We also need to look at why the main players in animal welfare have refused to be involved in projects to make regional areas the cente of local processing plants to faze out live exports.

In the mean time it would be good to hear some truths as to what happend on these ships in the last 30 years or so.

So I encourage those with information to highlight what these memory lane awards were all about.

Lets tell them our memory is fresh with the screams and the suffering of innocent animals for no good reason!

Lets we forget AWB Elders Landmark....

Our Nations greatest shame and these guys give themselves awards!

Australian public so NO to these companies cruelty.

Well It looks like Nivk+Dick have skipped ship and I am going to have and sit and post the History and the facts of Elders Landmark AWB and several dozen others buring animals alive = tossing them overboard feeding down mincers while still alive.
Times dates etc.

This is what I mean about working for animals instead of peoples personal agendas and memos.

Ok I will do that too. I will post everyship and incident.

I will start soon down memory lane so we will all know what the Award Dinner was about.

I hope the memories stay in peoples minds for a very long time.

For The Animals.

Thanks, People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming for your reply.

Seems 'dickie,' was more interested in telling me the facts and figures than entering depth discussion on the profit at any cost from these large corporations.

My daughter & her husband are beef producers, free range grazing & some Forage Sorghum when climate & fuel costs allow production, this is their sole occupation, for the local market, here in Central Queensland.

My brother has left the Dairy Industry after years of no income derived from that industry & now runs a few beef producing animals, after selling off his dairy cattle. He had the opportunity in working at a local abattoir but after a lifetime of rearing & caring for animals could not see himself killing them.

Dickie, I have neighbors who harvest kangaroo for a hobby or second income, so I would be in a minority if I were to jump up and down & scream at them what you have said in your short entry. All four of my sons chased & caught wild pig, even as young as 11 & 12 years with friends as their mother had little or no money to give them. There was not the high paid jobs about, rather impossible to be home & out at work & I lived too far from family to get free child minding.Their English Born father had died, leaving me one of those Single Mothers, & his relatives showed up 25 years after we buried him, now claiming to be 'Family!'

Hi ma edda

You enquired: "Beef to Russia, do you know if it is meat, or live export?" I was not aware that you were seeking additional information.

However, my views are well known on the issue of factory farming, the abominable treatment of these commercial animals and on the successive greedy governments who remain captured by the cabal who send animals offshore for slaughter.

I was raised in a mining area, however, there were no pigs to hunt there, besides my brother and I were raised by a deaf and profoundly blind single Mother who with great enterprise, managed to buy us a humpy of our own for the grand sum of 50 pounds.

We were lucky to see any meat actually - the odd tin of Frelish and perhaps some pastie or the odd chop was our treat. Bread, Weetbix, grapes, potato and cabbage were our staple diet, with a chook or duck at Christmas. However, my Brother and I went to work at 13 to provide for our Mum and matters did improve somewhat.

The last time I saw my real Father was on my second birthday.

My brother and I were very proud of our Mother. I'm sure your sons are proud of you too.

Cheers

Hey ma edda,
Just call me PALE.

I think Dickey was having a shot at our Australian Government and rightly so.

Also you seem to have managed to bring the real Dickie.
Sounds to me shes got good reason to be proud.
Not as proud as her mother would be of her however.

You seem to have managed just fine too.

There you go from good parents must come good people. So that must mean I`m ok too. My Grandfather blew his arm off fishing when Dad was just eleven. So he had to leave home to work to support the family.

Well I came in here to post stories about our Awards Dinner of the live animal exporters but our stories are both interesting.

Dickie is opposed to our work to reopen abattoirs in Australia ma edda,+ the fact we speak out sometimes by the unfriendly leadership of Animal Welfare issues in Australia.

Dont get me wrong there are some wonderful people involved in Animal Welfare but we have a great deal of trouble to understand Glenyse of Animals Australia
They say what doesnt kill you makes you stronger- So whatever.

This thread is a clear example of the fact most people prefer not to highlight the dreadful deaths onboards ships IF Its posted by PALE.

I cant blame Dickey or Nicky either because there`s been NO education to members of the public accept DONT EAT MEAT.

This is really counter productive. We say lets make the Australian Government inform overseas buyers they are required to put in half of the infustructure to faze out live exports- putting jobs back in regional areas.
We are 'suspicious good people such as Nicky and Dickey are mislead.
We believe Animal welfare is very political and 'iF' others really wanted to see live exports banned they wouldnt oppose our efforts to reopen abattoirs here in Australia

In fact they would applaude it.

What do you think ma edda,?

BTW I would love to talk with you and your brother re a project about to kick off.

Ma edda
AWB ENQUIRY COWS WITH GUNS

www.livexports.com/cowgun.html

Memory Lane Awards Dinner was for evil companies to 'rejoice' the suffering they have caused to millions of our Australian Animals- while at the same time stealing our jobs and our kids future- especially in the bush.

Landmark and Elders are just two of the companies involved along with the AWB.

Kevin Rudd 'refused' to inform the Australian public of the AWB involment when Australia lodged its largest royal commission ever held in this country.

The AWB commissioner staff told us they would not be going near live exports- This was DESPITE the fact we were 'supposed' to be looking at any funds that were sent to Saddam Hussiane for terrorism.

Not a peak from little bow peak, and of course thats the last thing Howard Downer and Mark Vaile wanted to come out.

(Especially two weeks after 60 Minutes reoprted on the vile trade of blood money and they KNEW the Australian public were outraged)

```Ah The Memories````=
The first shipment of live cattle to Australia was of 'course' by a offshore company- Elders.

In true form they also brought foot and mouth to Australia with them.
Some cattle got away and the area in the middle of the city was named - The cow pasture. It kept that name for years.

Of course they introduced a law back then as many of the cattle were diseased. Anybody killing a animal would hang.

A normally pretty conservative RSPCA have launched a protest to the Rudd Government against the cruelty.

RSPCA and public along with all Animal Welfare agencys are calling on the Rudd Government to end the live export of animals for slaughter.

visit: www.handlewithcare.tv/au

We will take a walk down memory lane ourselves to see WHY Howard Downer Mark Vaile and the opposition leader at the time ALL sat on their Christian Hands

- despite Rudd being 'desperate' to get something on Alexanda Downer at the time as Shadow Minister or foreign affairs and trade.

Ar, ``` the memories ```

More ```memories```

Not long ago pale had threats of legal action because of Emanuel Exports and two of its directors, after pale posted details of those involved in the cruel live animal trade on OLO.

Now if these guys are so proud of their achievements that they hand out ‘awards to each other at in-house ‘dinners- wouldn’t you think they would welcome the publicity pale handed them through OLO.

The well published court case in WA where by their cowboy courts completely run in the back corridors with unpredicted interference by the WA Government yet again interfered with natural justice.

Similar interference was seen by shocked media giants in WA when the State Government stages a stunt and ordered their office to be raided in an effort to obtain informants details.

Will Kevin Rudd now revisit to these alarming circumstances?

Then perhaps others may- It’s a pretty sad ‘State’ of affairs, when a small group of Animal Welfare activists using a volunteer lawyer get as far as they did.

They should be congratulated. Mostly the tireless efforts of Lyn White x police officer whom the Australian Government ought to be handing over Animal Welfare too in Australia.

Our memories and the Australian public memories of these people giving themselves Award Dinners are some what different.

Let’s take a look at some of these brave Australian X Police Officers memories shall we.

http://www.animalsaustralia.org/features/appeal_to_farmers_to_prevent_cruelty.php

Our memories at pale go back to a meeting with the Federal Ministers advisor on the Gold Coast.

The advisor informed us in the presence of two lawyers, that DR Hugh Wirth (acting as President of WSPA) and (RSPCA Head of UK )two days 'prior to our meeting pledged their ongoing support to the then Minister for Trade - at the same time as launching a national appeal to the Australian public for donations to Ban Live Exports. ?

Perhaps this is why Dr Hugh Wirth and RSPCA National ignored invitations for five years from lawyers and others to meet with Muslim leaders of Australia working under a MOU for Animal Welfare to faze out live exports?

Hello everybody,

I have read this site with interest.

My family has been involved in the meat industry for a long time and I am extremely concerned about the matter of live exports.

Firstly, jobs are being taken from workers in rural towns with numerous Abattoirs being forced to close.

A large quantity of Australian meat is being exported to the Middle East live and most Australians are of the belief that it is a requirement of the purchasers that the bodies be live. I t is my understanding that this is not the case and that most Mid East buyers are prepared to accept carcass Hal'al killed in Australia.

Our animals suffer immense cruelty being transported live and they are killed in atrocious ways in foreign lands. There is no need for this suffering and many more jobs could be reinstated in the meat industry if more attention and publicity were given to the
Plight.

More people must speak out.

rhonda,

Welcome and its good to see meat industry people speaking out.
You may be interested in this-

http://www.halakindmeats.com/

Sadly it takes more than just our organisation to be involved.

We are tired of trying to explain to Animals Australia if we want changes for the better we must come up with alternatives 'ourselves'.

You can bet the live animal agents are not going to.

This link is today`s Farmonline which shows we are not winning the battle.
Despite the fact we warned others if they didnt do something to support our programe working with Muslim leaders it was going to get worse.

http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/cattle/indonesia-now-our-third-largest-beef-market/1339161.aspx?src=enews

Indonesia now our third largest beef market was taking very little by when we first approached Animals Australia, WSPA Voiceless RSPCA National..

Maylasia are going to be very big players using JAKIM to accredit and export to ME and the rest of the Muslim world.

So we send our cows off to China for milk to be sent back in different forms of poisons.

Instead of having cojoint farmers co ops in Australia with farmers and chinese investors to export powered milk.

We send our beef off and lamb etc just to buy our small goods from overseas. Could only make sense to a Poly Ah Rhonda:)

Keeping animal welfare out of it I dont think Australia is going to be the free green country anymore.

We are sending off pure Gold in healthy raw ,materials- only to import all sorts of diseases from third world countries with little regards for health and safety and no Animal Welfare Laws.

No wonder decent farmers are getting out. Then of course Australia has Jenny Wrong doing everything wong: for the bush and regional areas which is the life support and food bowl of this country.)

Which brings me to .
Ma Edda I thought you might like this

http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/agribusiness-and-general/political/wong-abandons-towns-in-water-buyback/1339072.aspx?src=enews

PALE, thanks for the qcl references. My brother tells me Milking Cows are now very scarce & although he sold one to a dairy farmer out of his area one of the problems is the farmer does not want to bring into his herd a disease that up to now has not been in their area.

Prices for dairy cattle also tells us the scarcity of the mature milking animal. Most of the animals we exported to China, Indonesia were young heifers bred for that market, he tells me.

“The Central Tableland Livestock Exchange Premier Female sale was held at Carcoar on Friday, where Angus cows with calves topped the market at $1550.”
http://theland.farmonline.com.au/news/state/livestock/cattle/cows-with-calves-to-1550-at-ctlx-female-sale/1338415.aspx

Prices may drop as herds increase, or the price may increase with demand for more 'fresh,' milk.

Dickie, I was raised on a small mixed farm, we grew our own fresh vegetables & fruit where practical and lived on milk, eggs & a morsel of meat sent out with the Carrier who took the milk to the factory. I never saw a kerosene fridge until I was 8 years old, I spent 5th grade boarding with an aunt & uncle in the city of Ipswich as our local school was downgraded to a few classes. They had an 'ice chest,' and did not see the need for a fridge until the ice man stopped calling.

The dairy got a Dairy Queen refrigerator powered by a larger diesel engine that ran both it and the milking machine as that farm never had mains power up the day our parents sold it. Dad was 51 & mother 59, probably too asset rich for the dole, so they purchased another dairy farm and went on until age & illness stopped them at 82 & 95years.

The last couple of days I have sent off a letter re live exports to the Prime Minister & one to Greg Hall reminding him the Fitzroy’s dilemma will not go away & it is the second largest water catchment next to the Murray Darling, and just as important.

Greetings all

A Current Affair on the Nine Network will tonight, (Wednesday 22 October) feature Animals Australia's plea to Australian farmers to not export their animals to the Middle East for the annual Eid-al-Adha (Festival of Sacrifice) which will be held in December this year.

Animals Australia's investigators have been in the middle East for the last three Festivals of Sacrifice. Evidence they have documented confirms that this is the worst time of animal suffering in the Middle East.

Whilst A Current Affair, due to their 6:30 pm timeslot, will only be able to feature a small amount of the footage, the segment will spotlight the live export industry's role in supplying animals to this festival and their failure to inform farmers as to the treatment their animals are likely to receive.

Animals Australia, through its work in the Middle East, has forged many wonderful friendships with local Muslim people who care deeply about the welfare of animals. Islam preaches kindness to animals, but without laws to protect them, there is nothing to prevent such treatment from routinely occurring—and from being believed to be 'acceptable'. Australia's live export industry has contributed enormously to this belief through their willingness to supply millions of Australian animals each year to the Middle East.

Last weekend, a Middle Eastern conference on animal welfare held in Cairo with delegates from throughout the Middle East displayed a conference banner that said "No to long distance transport", and called for live exports to be replaced by chilled meat. Much of the conference material was based on footage and photographs obtained during Animals Australia's investigations in the Middle East.

Please encourage friends, colleagues and family to watch A Current Affair tonight.

In the meantime, you may like to view the following footage on the Eid Muslim festival etc, however, I should warn this footage is not for the faint-hearted:

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-eid-festival-around-the-world-graphic-photos

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/this-years-eid-festival-from-around-the-world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1_BOAF7qvk

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/exposed-the-long-cruel-road-to-the-slaughterhouse-781364.html

Cheers

Pale,
I think somethings you stated in your post of 20-10 need some correction or at least clarification.

Firstly, my knowledge of history is that the first shipment of livestock came with the "First Fleet" in 1788. The stock were owned by the Government so it is doubtful if any private company was involved. Some of the stock may have come from England, but more likely were loaded at Rio, where the fleet spent considerable time, or at Capetown.

I expect that the stock were assessed as free from disease as possible at that time as deaths en route was a direct loss. I doubt that Foot and Mouth was a recognised disease at that time.

Some of the cattle did get away, but not in the middle of a city as there was no city, merely a settlement. The cattle strayed as far away to what is now Campbelltown and the area was known as the Cow Pastures. There is still a road there called Cow Pastures Road.

As the Government owned the cattle, an embargo was put to stop people traveling to the area. Poaching of the cattle was probably a death sentence. The embargo meant that, to expand, the Blue mountains were crossed in 1813 (I think) and the South/West was not opened up until 1820, even though there were no mountains to cross.

If you hold a different view to this I would like you to let us know.

Hot off the press folks:!

STOP LIVE EXPORTS
MEDIA STATEMENT
22 October 2008

LIVESTOCK EXPORTER FIGHTS PUBLIC SCRUTINY

On Friday 24 October the Administrative Appeals Tribunal will hear live animal exporter Graham Daws’ fight to keep secret key documents about a voyage in which large numbers of sheep died.

Mr Daws is opposing the public release of a report of an Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service investigation which relates to a live export voyage from Fremantle to the Middle East in 2005. Over 1,500 sheep died during the voyage.

Mr Daws gained notoriety in February 2008 when he and his company, Emanuel Exports Pty Ltd, narrowly escaped conviction for animal cruelty relating to a live export voyage in November 2003.

Mr Daws has not made public his reasons for opposing the release of the Investigation Report.

Mr Daws’ opposition to the public release of the AQIS Investigation Report is in direct contrast to AQIS’s position that exporters ought to publicly release completed Investigation Reports in order to improve the transparency of the live export trade.

After the Cormo Express disaster in 2003, when over 5,500 sheep died, the Federal Parliament passed laws requiring summary information on all live export journeys to be reported to Parliament.

Animals Australia's Legal Counsel Malcolm Caulfield says: “Animals Australia has sought this Investigation Report under a Freedom of Information application. In 1991 Mr Daws also fought to keep details of live export voyages secret from the public. Mr Daws' action clearly indicates that live exporter claims of increased public accountability are yet more window dressing”.

Mr Daws’ application in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal is Daws v Department of Forestry & Fisheries and Animals Australia Inc No. 2007/5512.

Animals Australia will be making submissions to the Tribunal in support of the release of the documents.

Note: An estimate of 2,200,000 animals have been dumped overboard - (some abandoned at sea, suffering an agonising death from burning) - and the numbers are increasing!

Hey Banjo

We are well aware of cow pastures Rd. I lived there many years ago. I will be happy to discuss the history of Elders Later."

Mr Jim Dwyer who is still alive and living on the Gold Coast would be the one for you to learn from.

AS hard cookie abattoir worker his his memory on Elders live exports are still vivid . His fight STOP live exports from Australia lead him to a meeting with four others with the then PM of NZ.

For now I think we should give Dickies posts "full attention ".

Pale,
Could i suggest that you forward both your and my comments to Jim Dwyer as i am quite happy to discuss this with anyone who has knowledge.

Would you forward comments to Jim and ask him to make contact via this forum?
Thus leaving you free to give attention to Dickies post.

Happy to contact MR Dyer leaving this thread free for Dickie or anybody else who wants to make a sensible comment.

He still lays awake worried by what he saw he told the RSPCA QLD CEO at a meeting.



' I am away for a while. I hope Dickie will have time to post here on some of the "memories" involved in the live animal trade export ships that these guys just handed themselves awards for.

Anybody who would approve of such treatment of our Australian animals isnt worth two bob.

The Live exports industry is unnessary- cruel and shouldnt be tolerated.

Once again Good on Lyn White who clearly should be handed the reins regarding Anmal Welfare and shame on MLA and Elders Landmark AWB.+

Here are a few more shipping agents that are on the list.

I encourage everybody to write to these people and encourage them to use their contacts to introduce their clients overseas direct to Aussie farmers and for halal farmers and abattoirs together here in Australia.

I will post more deatils to contact people involved in the live animal shipping agents on my return.


Company Name Address
Bustan International P/L Mr Clinton Conden 39 Mt Ida Ave Hawthorne East, V 3123

Al Makairish Australia P/L Dr Rafie Ibrahim GPO Box 17 North Adelaide SA 5006

Corral Line P/L Mt Henrick Nissen PO Box 760, Chatswood, NSW 2057

Dens-Ocean P/L Mr Bent Skjalierup PO Box 655, Chatswood, NSW 2057

Fares Group Mr Graham Haldenby PO Box 464 Fremantle WA 6959

Fares Rural Co P/L Mr Peter Lang PO Box 464 Fremantle WA 6959

Housing Inspections & Assess. Ms Rosanna Ransley 20 Barong Rd Kincumber NSW 2251

Labroy Marine P/L Mr Chris Rooney PO Box 38074 Winnellie NT 0821

Livestock Shipping Services Ms Anna Gibbney PO Box 1441 South Perth WA 6951

Nine Holdings P/L Mr Sid Faithfull PO Box 6755 Cairns Q 4870

Rural Export & Trading (WA) Mr Mike Kiely PO Box 1362 West Perth WA 6872

Anybody wishing to contact shipping agents for live animals we encourage to write to these companies with suggestions on alternatives to this trade.

Vroon Australia Mr Nick Den Heijer 3?15 Emplacement Crec Hamilton Hill WA 6163

Wellard Rural Exports P/L Mr Steve Meerwald PO Box 796 Fremantle WA 6160

AAA Livestock Services Mr Angus Adnam PO Box 1108 Milton Qld 4064

Accordia Nominees P/L Mr Kerry Haddleton PO Box 434 Nedlands WA 6009

Alamco P/L � Universal Farm Trade Mr Omar Abdullah PO Box 7144 Cloisters Perth WA 6850

RAB Australia P/L Mr Warwick Ashby Private Mail Bag 6003 Albury NSW 2640

Rangers Valley Cattle Station P/L Mr Malcolm Foster Rangers Valley Glen Innes NSW 2370

Richards-Maurah P/L Mr Tony Struss PO Box 265 Clermont Qld 4721

Roberts Limited Mr Miles Hampton PO Box 656G Launceston Tas 7250

Samex Australian Meat Co P/L Mr Viv Burton GPO Box 1425 Adelaide SA 5001

Surburton Livestock Export P/L Ms Carolyn Young PO Box 34 Condah Vic 3303

Teskera Livestock Export P/L Mr Anton Teskera RMB 1581 Mt Terrick Rd Echuca Vic 3564

Brunei Meat Export Co P/L Mr Gadafi Mokti PO Box 37171 Winnellie NT 0821

Tipperary Exports P/L Mr Ned McCord TMB 39 Winnellie NT 0821
Top End Livestock Export P/L Mr Allan Woods PO Box 416 Thuringowa Central, Qld 4817

Waterloo Land & Livestock Co P/L Mr John Quintana GPO Box 435 Darwin NT 0801

Westfarmers Landmark Ltd Mr Mark Barton PO Box 491 Wagga Wagga NSW 2650

Westholme Wagyu P/L Mr Don Nichol PO Box 1140 Kenmore Qld 4069

Yancroft P/L Mr Lu PO Box 363 Toowoomba Qld 4066
James Commodity Exports P/L Mr David James PO Box 1114 Nedlands WA 6909

Company Name Address
JC Kaus T/A SE Asian Livestock Services Mr Sid Parker 5 Nelson St Stuart Park NT 0802

Jupiter Marine (Aust) P/L Mr Eid Samir 19 Kalang Crt Patters on Lakes Vic 3197

Hi all
As a matter of curiosity and following Dickie's post about Emanuels and Mr Daws, I did a bot of an analysis of the mortality reports that are available at the DAFF website. By my calculations, in the period between November 2004 and June 2008, almost 22,000 sheep have died on their voyages alone. They also commonly use the old of the ships; the 'Al Kuwait' (41 years old and an old oil tanker), the 'Al Messilah' (38 years old and an old car transporter), the 'Al Shuwaikh' (23 years old, and most likely an old oil tanker) and the 'Merino (aka Cormo) Express', (30 years old and another old vehicle transporter).

The 'Al Shuwaikh', the 'Al Messilah' and the the 'Merino Express' (whose name was hastily changed after the 'Cormo Express' disaster in 2003) all have 'excessive mortality' investigations behind them. The "Al Kuwait'. 'Al Messilah' and 'Al Shuwaikh' are mentioned in Hansard several times as being vessels of choice for human deserters (makes you wonder how bad things are for the animals). Some have been detained in Australian ports for serious defects.

As for general mortality statistics, the 'collateral damage' (animals who die just on the ships) is 40,000 and rising each year despite less animals being exported. In the years that these statistics have been available, more than 2.6 animals have died at the tender mercy of the third world crews of these old wrecks.

And no, that's nowhere near the end of the misery and suffering, it's far worse for the survivors as Dickie has shown. What we saw on 'A Current Affair' was nowhere near the worst of it.

According to the Meat Workers' Union 40,000 jobs have been lost as a direct result of this trade. Meanwhile KLTT (Kuwait Livestock Transport and Trading, looking at its website, appears to be a worldwide exporter of meat products, most likely from Australian animals sent there.

Nicky

More recent sheep 'mortality incidents'

2002
The Becrux maiden voyage - claimed the best animal welfare standards, carried 60,000 sheep and 1,995 cattle from Portland Victoria to Saudi Arabia. 1,400 sheep and 880 cattle died after the vessel met high temperatures (45deg+) and humidity in the Arabian Gulf .

2002
In July and August 4 shipments of sheep recorded high death rates, and a total of 15,156 sheep died during the voyage and discharge phases. Cormo Express: 1064 sheep died, Corriedale Express: 6119 sheep died, Al Shuwaikh: 5,800 sheep died, and Al Messilah: 2173 sheep died. AMSA/AFFA and AQIS conducted 4 enquiries. At least one ship, the Al Shuwaikh, was allowed to load more sheep in September and leave for the ME before any reports were completed. A further 2,304 (3%) sheep died.

2003
Saudi Arabia rejected the Cormo Express with 57000 sheep in August, and it was late October before Eritrea agreed to offload them. 10%, around 6,000 sheep, died during the three month-long voyage. Australia suspended all live export to Saudi Arabia until mid 2005)

2005
The Maysora was delayed fully laden with 80,000 sheep in Fremantle harbour when engine problems occurred. No animal welfare authorities were alerted.

2006
In February 2006 the Al Messilah loaded 786 cattle in Portland (Vic.), and then loaded 71,309 sheep in Devonport (Tasmania) for the trip to several Middle East countries including Kuwait. Thousands of sheep were rejected prior to loading due to 'pink eye' infections and other problems. 1683 (2.36%) of the sheep died - from heat stress, failure to eat, exacerbated by pink eye and other problems.

2007 The Maysora arrived in Eilat Israel in November and a consignment of sheep was rejected - reportedly due to a suspected scabby mouth outbreak in sheep from an earlier voyage on the Bader III. Some of the sheep were offloaded in nearby Jordan and others (approximately 40,000) were unexpectedly taken to Egypt and killed during the Eid Al Adha festival. 862 sheep died on the month long voyage (under the reportable death rate).

Nicky

Thank you so much for that information Nicky.

The following aticles were published in the West this month.

Unfortunately, I am unable to find any comments in those aticles that would lead me to believe the growers of live exports plan to cease this ugly trade, despite the Australian public's outrage:

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuId=2&ContentID=103066

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=146&ContentID=104667

Hello everyone

Thanks for those facts and dates Nicky Dickey. I dont post much anymore as you both know but had to have my two bobs worth on this thread.

I thought there would be a lot more comments on this link but anyway. I will say unless other animal welfare organisations join pale in their work with Muslim leaders and farmers to put up a united programe to the Australian Government to faqze out live exports it wont change Dickey I agree.

It looks like Lyn White is on the right track getting one of the Muslim Leaders to say something however.

Isnt that woman fantasic.

I love Lyn White.

God bless her.

*Australian Government shows support for Australia's red meat industry*

The Australian Government has joined the red meat industry in hosting a barbecue at Parliament House in Canberra to showcase local produce. The event was designed to raise awareness among Members of Parliament and Senators of Australia’s world-class red meat industry and its importance to rural communities. Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry Tony Burke and Chairman of Meat & Livestock Australia Don Heatley jointly hosted the barbecue, which is likely to become an annual event. Read the minister's media release online.

Well deary Me! Is this all Rudd intends to DO!! about the live export trade that has exposed the government again.

He`s having a nice little BBQ. Well Mr Rudd it just so happens I was at the pale office when your advisor for Agriculture called and said=
oh but if we are elected- Kevin Rudd and ALP y0u might be surprised what WE intend to do about live exports.

The President smiled and said- Surprised, No, I dont think so but Mr Yosseff but tell me anyway.

He went on top say the Mr Rudds advisor Burnie suggested that Kevin Rudd contacted the pale office to let them them know that ALP were serious about stopping live exports if they were elected.

Sure you were Mr Rudd . As your Minister ( at the time) pointed out he had more letters from the public about the cruelty of live exports than any other topic you clearly had to aprove the pitch on Land Line just two weeks out from the federal elections.

So Mr Rudd you should remember the elections WILL roll around again rather quickly.

I for one and my family womt forget your unethical approach and outright lies thats for sure.

The first party to stop live export and put the money back into Australian regional areas will win the next elections Mr Rudd.

Pity you were not smart enough to see that intsead of telling lies.


Enjoy your BBQ Mr Rudd and remember we dont forget your broken promises and the millions of suffering animals.

PALE,
I want to say from the onset, that if your object is to reduce or stop the live export trade, you are on the right track in trying to get more animals slaughtered here. From what I read and hear it seems that potential investors are reluctant to put up the funds to aquire or build more facilities because of economic considerations.

Most Australians would support the concept as it means greater employment, but it has to be economic to do so. Not only are our high employment costs a problem but investors have to ensure adequate facilities are in place at delivery points. The big factor in favour of live exports is that the product is self sustained untill the animal is slaughtered at destination and as long as exporters continue to pay far more for the required stock then farmers will sell to them.

I think Pale understands all of this but many other animal welfare organizations do not. By all means, point out transport problems and death rates as improvements here cuts losses to the exporters and means they can pay more to the farmers. Keeping in mind the cost of improvements as in any business.

I have not heard from Jim Dwyer, but I guess you will read this when you return. You must ensure that anything you say as fact must be so. If I can see reason to question some of what you say, then any good lawyer or politician would chew you up and spit you out. Thus reducing your credibility to nothing. Shippers and exporters have invested heavily in their industry and will fight to retain it.

Anyway good luck with endeavours to attract investors. If only one starts up, and it is viable, then others will follow. I cannot see this happening in the near future.

Lyn White, and Animals Australia have, as always, come out with a superb campaign. TarynW, what you consistently fail to recognise is:-

1. Each animal advocacy group has its own philosophies and strategies and are therefore not likely to divert from them in favour of those of another group. Each runs its campaign in line with how it sees the key issues. PALE's way has been shown NOT to be the only way

2. For whatever reason, they do not want to work with PALE's philosophy and strategy, and that is their choice. Please can we not turn this thread into yet another soapbox for PALE.

3. A diversity of philosophies and strategies is crucial to any debate - and effective campaigning

My personal opinion is a bit more inclined to Banjo's - farmers will sell to the highest bidder, regardless of the shocking outcome that produces for their animals. Animals Australia gives farmers far too much credit in that regard. They would have to be on another planet not to know what happens in the Middle East. They also give too much credit to the butchers of the Middle East; they know what they do is "unlawful" according to their own religion, but it appears that they enjoy the brutal bloodbaths too much to do it any differently.

An example of the reality of just how little their religious precepts matter is Animal Liberation's recent blessing of the animals (by a priest into the Christian faith) in Fremantle - that should make them "unlawful" for Muslim consumption ('that over which the name of another deity has been proclaimed'). They were sent anyway.

But, Banjo, a lot of what has been invested in this trade (and judging by the standard of the ships, the almost total lack of monitoring and enforcement of the ALES IN Australia, and the hopeless failure in addressing the cruelty in the Middle East it would appear to have been largely wasted) has been TAXPAYERS' dollars. And the government should not be able to put that on MY conscience.

Nicky

Banjo,

Hello my name is Taryn Winter.




I love animals and i`v worked in abattoirs. I support the drive to reopen Abattoirs here.

Pale`s efforts to reopen abattoirs behind the scenes are 'bitterly opposed' by other animal groups.

I have a message from PALE leader for you. (Wendy) +I will copy the part that refers to you.

The message starts-

Hey, Banjo what are you doing for the rest of your life:)
Please email us through this site to collect your prize which is a free share in HKM:)
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

You’re the first person to understand ‘some of the problems.

Thanks for the heads up on Jim. Taken onboard your comments.

We have been asking him to speak into a tape recorder.
That’s a big deal for Jim as he still does all his business by hand written letters. No computers in his life. Now resides on water from canal at the Ile of Capri on the Gold Coast.

Mark Townend the RSPCA QLD CEO met him in 2003. He was amazed by his knowledge. Great old bloke.

Banjo just a couple of things regarding your comments until I get back from the bush.

You said =*potential investors are reluctant to put up the funds to acquire or build more facilities because of economic considerations.*

pale replies.

Yes to a point that is true. However it doesn’t matter which country it is they no matter what feel if they are investing they “have” to be assured of that particular Governments support ..

This is not the case with the Australian Governments both State and Federal despite what they may tell the public.

MLA Austrade Farmers Federations etc IMO bend over backwards to keep Aussie farmers miles away from the buyers in the middle east or anywhere else for that matter.

AQIS control export licenses so I know you will use your imagination as to how hard it would be for an old farmer to obtain his export license- not to mention any accreditations for Halal.... etc.

message continued

The big one is the Australian Government have put conditions on the Abattoir industry to bring in skilled labor that does not exist in any other industry.

I agree with your comment = *Most Australians would support the concept as it means greater employment, but it has to be economic to do so*

It’s hard but all we need to do is to get the truth out to the public. The way to do that is to have all Animal Welfare groups’ Australian wide working to contact local farmers and helping us to introduce the interested investors into the Australian regional areas.

Once that is done the message would be well and truly out there and we can take it from there. Many of the investors hold their own pretty big punch with the Government.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23413834-5006786,00.html

Of course pigs might fly mate before Animals Australia get onboard our project so we are going it alone.

Hey Banjo I would like to add mate I think Lyn White is fantastic. Its not her fault. One day I hope we can put her in a position of having real power with big funding.

Catch you on my return. I won’t miss the flies mate Yo.
Cheers + Thanks.

Message ends.

TarynW, Things are hard too when there is cruelty to People from other people, as one daughter-in-law pointed out when I explained the cruelty in live Animal export.

I lived in the town in a rented caravan then a house & worked at the Charleville abattoir in 2000 to mid 2001. not long but I had a couple of mishaps as well as so far away from family & friends. Your refer to the Sheep & Goat, halal abattoir closing in March this year, but it re opened the very next month.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/14/2215736.htm

The mining industry is in Boom time here in Australia, and workers flock from all parts of Australia and many from overseas, not for the lifestyle, but the money. I have seen it slump, & the workers turn their hand at fruit picking & abattoir work and grumblings about low pay. Still, the same people like cheap foodstuff.

It's really disappointing to see this thread go the same way as all the others, a slanging against Animals Australia. No-one can deny the power of its current campaign and the media attention it is attracting.

PALE and its disciples really should just recognise that Animals Australia and the other groups will do things their way (and they do it very well too), and PALE should do the same. Try focusing on solutions (not just talking about them) without petulant demands for everyone else to fall in line with ONE strategy, and rather than continually dredging up whatever the past disagreements were.

Nicky

ma edda
Sometimes I wish forums could hook people up live. Yes I knew it reopended and was looking for examples to explain the staff problem but guess I could have used a better I example.

I am not the kneees bees around here but know enough to know the problem is so few working on alternative projects.

Dear Nicky

Your post on the different ships is great imformation. Perhaps thats not be the right words but its late.

I was commenting on Banjo`s post. Nicky you really dont know what the background is here.

I am also very much focusing on solutions (not just talking about them) without petulant demands for everyone else to fall in line with ONE strategy, and rather than continually dredging up whatever the past disagreements were.

Despite your best intentions to help animals you dont or wont see that is my purpose too.

As far as demands for everybody else to fall in line with ONE strategy thats the problem for sure. BUT its not little old Taryn or pale trying to do that its your friends.


Nobody has the right to tell others how to protest or tackle live exports. Yes thats correct Nicky and others should remember it.

Its not myself or pale who did that its your buddies. I suggest you should get ALL the facts.


*Try focusing on solutions (not just talking about*

Come off by working to open abattoirs again in the Australian bush IS focusing on solutions.



Look I dont want to argue with you. We both want the same thing. Nicky honestlty you dont really know the truth and whats gone on but I do.

If you knew you would be furious because from what I have seen you 100% for the animals.

Well just keep up the good work. So will I as much as possible.

Many people from many different directions working for the one end.

Good night everyone.
Taryn Winte

Then why not forget what has gone on in the past, and you do your thing and let others do theirs. After all, it's about one objective. One point though - you have no way of knowing what I do or don't know.

As it happens, I think exposing certain exporters has its advantages. If you go to www.liveexportshame.com, you will find a document that reveals that some of the Emanuels ships I have named have been polluting the waters in the harbours of Portland and Adelaide and have been in a protracted court battle with AMSA to allow them to load. Do Australians want dirty ships in their harbours which contravene AMSA's regulations which have been in force since 2004? That information is as recent as this week.

The ships are operated by KLTT (Kuwait Livestock Transport and Trading), which has a website advertising itself as a massive meat processing outfit which exports meat all over the world - most likely from Australian animals.

Nicky

Dear Nicky.

Because while Animals Australia, WSPA continue to
exclude the only animal welfare group
(to actually have a program) to faze
out live and replace with chilled
I intend to inform the public and demand answers.

Sadly, I think you are only here
to promote Animals Australia and PETA.
I`m here for Animals.

Yes the shame web site is great but another web site WONT fix this.
Working united to reopen abattoirs with farmers and overseas buyers WILL fix it.
That’s why I joined pale.

When pale first suggested to Animals Australia
in 2003 we do an investigation using Federal
and other agents Glenyse said NO Nicky.

That was with the total backing of 4 corners

The president of AA Dominique was all for it.


She`s since then spent the last few years trying to copy some of what was suggested. Just like meeting with Muslim Leaders.

I am not taking anything away from Lyn White either. I love that darling lady. I am telling YOU the truth.

Ok , so we showed some pictures the other night. Now what.?

The well funded cruel industry will just run a few ads calling us all extreme. Even I know the drill by now.

Now if Animals Australia were prepared to work with the project to reopen abattoirs under the MOU with Muslim leaders and PALE then nobody could call them that- could they.?



Also tell me then why they ignored ALL requests and offers for years to meet with the Muslim Leaders of Australia by pale Nicky.

Tell me why PAACT and others were instructed NOT to have contact with pale Nicky by Animals Australia to work on the project to faze out live exports with chilled.

Come on Nicky Glensye had nearly twenty years or more to contact Islamic leaders BUT didn’t.

Neither did Andrew. Didn’t they work together in parliament for fifteen years?

Do I smell politics? Didn’t the Dems give their preference votes to labor?

Why also did Dr Hugh Wirth behave in the same manner?

Nicky
Regarding the rest of your comment about ships.
Look we cant have it both ways.

If we are serious about stopping live animal exports
because of the cruelty and job losses
to regional areas in Australia its probably
not contructive to start on about ships in
general exporting chilled meat.

See this is what I mean.

I am doing on about slaughtereing HERE in
Australia and your pointing out that
any meat has bad side effects.
In other words your against the abattoirs being
reopended in Australia.

What I do find interesting are you posts
above where you mention different ships and dates.
As this thread is headed down memory lane
(which I just indulged in)
perhaps it would help the public
to understand why we fight for the animals.
If you could tell some thruths of what
happended on each ship etc to the animals
in very simple terms.

Most people I have found dont understand rules and codes.

They do understand things like this-
In @@@@ a ship sat off @@@ with @@@ Animals onboard.
It was @@@ heat and many died.
Those ones pluss the sick were tossed
overboard or thrown down a mincer alive!

In @@@ An Australia ship tossed
all the stock overboard.
This lead to diseases to the Island People.

Our Tax dollars were paid in a hush hush manner to the Island to buy their silence etc .....

Anyway Nicky I am just one of many
members of the Australian public
that will be remembering Kevin
Rudds lies at the pre election pitch.

Oh and about putting things in the past . What you mean is Animals Australia really want to stop pale telling the public the truth of what taken place in the past.

Well Its not up to me Nicky but I think if they pick up a phone that would be a good start to work uniuted.

Until then nobody is going to gag me or stop me telling the truth of what I saw in that office.

TarynW, you should inform yourself better. The ships I cited were in fact LIVESTOCK carriers, not refrigerated cargo ships. They were prevented from loading sheep and cattle in Portland and Adelaide because they have failed to comply with AMSA's pollution standards. One is 41 years old, the others between 25 and 35. I think you might find that Australians do in fact care about their pristine beaches and harbours being trashed by sewage and raw pollution from these ships.

Once again, you know nothing about who I am or what I do. Nothing I said could be construed as saying that meat is bad, either.

And really - no-one CARES what happened between PALE, Animals Australia, WSPA or anyone else, so can we please drop it, once and for all? PALE has laboured us with this saga SO MANY TIMES, and frankly, I think most of us are sick to death of it. Anyone who might have been interested in it at one time has been regaled with the tale of PALE's self-described persecution at the hands of other groups on at least 8 threads that I know about, so if they were interested, they couldn't not know about it. And you still haven't provided any proof anyway. Publicly attacking Glenys Ooogjes at every turn is hardly constructive, and so far as I know, she has never been in parliament. Democrat preferences at the last election would have been determined on a far broader range of issues than animal welfare in isolation, so your accusations against Andrew Bartlett are fairly baseless too, since it would not have been only his decision.

As I said before, PALE should just do its thing, and it should let the others get on with what they do. You are claiming to 'work for the animals' when in fact your obvious intention spend the majority of your time and effort in trying to discredit anyone and everyone else in the movement. Patronising people does not help your cause. You actually have little to say that actually refers to real animal welfare.

Nicky

Nicky

I was posting as Taryn Winter. Not pale.


Well before I heard of pale I formed views in animal welfare.
I was delighted when I heard their was a group actually working on a solution rather than just highlighting the problems.

You have not seen the letters.

You came into OLO to rubbish pale and promote Animals Australia as far as I am concerned Nicky. I have given you back the truth but you don’t like it. You attacking me personally as soon as you knew I had joined pale. Thats really pathetic.

You have a good heart for animals. I can see that. I feel you’re stuck in a cult like state of mind that nobody else should dare post their comments .

Animal Welfare has been riddled with inta fighting WELL before little old me Taryn Winter came along or poor old pale or anybody else.

here are some facts.
Fact 1. Glenyse didn’t do live exports in the earlier days that’s why pale was started. - Ask her.

2 She refused all offers to sit at the table with pales lawyers and Muslim Leaders of Australia to help phase out live exports.

ask her why?

Come on Nicky that was a HUGE shot in the arm for Animals but she wouldnt acknowledge this programe or help work on it.

Kind of curious wouldnt you say.

3 Then different approaches were made to meet with these same people 'without' going through pale.

That’s 'despite the fact it was known that the Muslim leaders had put in a sub to the senate Animal Welfare enquiry asking 'everybody to help faze out live exports but 'especially requesting they go through head office at 'pale.

If you listened you might learn something to really help animals.

Wake up and SEE the truth.

I am doing my own thing Nicky. I am telling people what I think is the problem.

That is WRONG leadership.
I didn’t have to attend uni to work out that’s the ONLY solution.

I just worked in abattoirs and mixed with farmers.

Nothing beats practical experience

TarynW, I have absolutely no interest in debating this with you. You have contributed nothing other than to repeat all these unfounded allegations, ad nauseum, (and in a very similar format to another contributor signing itself as PALE) so many times that everyone is bored to death with them, and, as I said, you do your cause no favours.

Do try to inform yourself a little about public opinion, and animal welfare generally. You have evinced no rational or informed comment about animal welfare at all. Your entire focus is about discrediting everyone who DOES make a valuable contribution, and that diminishes your cause. You have not advanced anything about what YOU contribute, other than to cite the PALE mantra, over and over again. This has all been done to death.

Nicky

Hello everyone.


Howdy, Taryn back from the bush. Thanks for minding the thread= (as well as others).

Good for you standing up for yourself and pale. As well on the other hand I tend to agree with Nicky.Time to move on.



Pale says to you Nicky- Just as long as you do not try to discredit our efforts to phase out live exports by accusing us of wanting to kill animals to make a profit.

You attack our intentions and we defend ourselves with the truth. That’s always been the rules and it won’t change.

It’s not Taryn who will 'confirm' ALL she posted Nicky 'it’s me' if you keep your endless attacks on Pale and that’s a promise.

On the other hand, we would be delighted to work united for animals.

So perhaps it can start right here right now on OLO.

That’s up to you.

You set the rules and we will follow.

Our work is just as important and we are hard working in our attempts to change the cruel practise of live animal exports.

I can’t promise not to ever mention the frustration of others refusing get involved in our project to stop the vile trade.
I will say whatever I feel I must to help animals.

They are my rules and I am not scared or answerable to anybody other than maybe God.

Of course from time to time we are bound to see things a little differently.....

On a personal note I say= We I have learned by your posts as I hope you have ours.

I post about the MLA and AWB for a very good reason.
I notice any time I do you leave the thread. Perhaps that’s because you can’t see the connection and I bore you.

Pls try to be patient. I do it for a reason

Now we are working towards setting up co opp milk supplies to export to China instead of sending our cows alive.

That’s where we have been.

I hope you support that as we support 'your' tireless efforts' to help animals.

PALE, that's fine with me. It is certainly long past time to move on.

Farming journals continue to advertise for dairy cattle for China. They may argue that since these animals are not being exported for slaughter, they may be treated marginally better in the process, but one can only fear for them when their "productive" time ends.

Regarding the ships that were prohibited from loading in Adelaide and Portland by AMSA, that matter held up the export of large numbers of sheep and cattle from those ports. They would have been some of the four used by Emanuels, the Al Kuwait, the Al Messilah, the Al Shuwaikh and/or the Merino (aka Cormo) Express. None is under about 25 years old. It would be interesting to track down which ships were involved. It should show in AMSA's Port State Control stats in the next couple of weeks.

While Australians may suffer from a degree of lethargy about the hapless sheep and cattle, they might be more concerned about these ships leaching sewage into their harbours, and these ships are regular visitors. They have had since 2004 to comply with AMSA's pollution regulations.

Another issue worth visiting is mortality reports by exporter, and in particular, Halleen, since a large number of its voyages seem to be "reportable". The issue then follows what sanctions are being imposed by AQIS, and to date those have been pretty meaningless.

Emanuels is the leader in the longest multi-destination port journeys, and I understand that last week Graham Daws was in court in WA trying to prevent the release of a particular mortality report which AA sought under Freedom of Information. It must contain some fairly significant evidence. I don't know what the decision on that was yet.

Nicky

Nicky



Marginally better to some, ``worse`` to us.
Prefer them dead rather kept than in Chinese intensive farming bails.
http://www.aussiefarmers.com.au/register_interest.php?sid=NT

We temporarily stopped emails for trade.
Swamped with enquires requesting meat,
lots for live cows.

People 'are' interested in milk co ops in Australia.
Many interested in Aussie Milk Co-ops WHY doesn’t Rudd support that! AUSTRALIA

Many ask -, pls can you arrange to send some cows in the mean time.
(No standard reply.)



Amusing to see Yabby’s comment on Graham’s thread claiming we are ‘responsible to feed our own’ :)

Great to see you there Taryn.

How can the Australian Government support( direct) MLA in this vile, evil trade in animals suffering.

For God sake Kevin Rudd are a few donations to your political agenda really worth it Australian Animals suffering + risking our nationals health by importing our 'own' milk back containing poisons and diseases from poor health standards+ intensive farming.

Why don’t you value add instead of exporting those jobs. You will need it to keep up your promise on migrants.

Do you deny Mr Rudd that Austrade, Farmers Federation, MLA block (if they can) any independent approaches to other countries to invest in infrastructure in Australia via co joint farms abattoirs and small goods factories. It’s THEIR Job to promote it!

You “are” fully aware other countries look for Federal Backing on such projects.

Meat ‘Australia’ Livestock (MLA) doesn’t promote overseas investing in OUR AG infrastructures. Nor does AUSTRADE= “Australia Trade”

*Why aren’t you making them do their job.*

What are you saying about the recent exposure of Live Animal exports to the Middle East on A Current Affair?

Is this your only reply Prime Minister Rudd=
http://www.agmates.com/blog/2008/04/02/cattle-live-export-is-the-life-blood-of-the-nt-cattle-industry/

You should tell the young lady that there 'IS' a programme to keep the meat industry going. That you’re investing in infrastructure AND encouraging other countries to invest in it HERE co-jointlty.

Wasn’t it the Rudd’s pre election *pitch claiming above all issues from the Australian public - Live Animal Exports has received more letters to your ALP offices than any other t from the Australian public.

Continued

Mr Rudd despite what you said for your Pre Election *pitch you didn’t tell the Australian public about AWB Landmarks involvement in live animal exports at the AWB enquiry into funds for use of terrorism.

Considering you have freely acknowledged Australian public`s interest in live exports that was more than just an oversight on your part was it not.?

Remember all these companies have had the strong support of MLA.


You were desperate at the time to get something on Downer, Vaile Howard Government. In fact you were flounding to do so.

Considering the AWB Enquiry was the largest of its kind in the history of Australia there was your big chance.

Still 'despite knowing,' AWB Landmark Elders were involved in the cruel live animal trade animal trade plus despite the fact you claimed you knew the public showed more interest in this than anything else you remained SILENT..............

Explain that pls Kevin Rudd.

You since said you will move forward plans to spend 40 billion dollars on infrastructure.

http://www.minister.infrastructure.gov.au/gg/speeches/2008/GS05_2008.htm

(These few words following are down the bottom on this second link)

*It is my great pleasure to announce tonight that the Australian Government has appointed a new Board for the Foundation, including a new Chairman.

*David Palmer is a former Managing Director of the Australian Meat and Livestock Association.

http://www.getfarming.com.au/pages/farming/speeches_view.php?sId=9200020080813124614

Well Mr Rudd NOW as USA goes under is YOUR chance to show some leadership for Australia. BAN LIVE EXPORTS and faze out with export of chilled products and Put OUR money into abattoirs HERE not overseas. Encourage Asian countries to add to it as partners.

Hi all

I hope I got back in time to catch up with Banjo and Ma Edda also.

Nicky, thanks for the heads up on Emanuels the leaders in the longest multi-destination of Animal cruelty it seems in others opinions with long port journeys.

Now correct me if I am wrong but wasn`t it Graham Daws who`s past involvements in exporting our jobs at unspeakable costs of animal cruelty that has been charged before.

Emanuels, and its two Directors Michael Stanton and Graham Daws were the defendants in the Al Kuwait case. I understand that Daws faced charges of some kind some time back and had his licence suspended, but because he was also a director of another exporting company, he was able to continue his profiteering and trafficking in live animals unabated.

Daws was in the WA Admin Appeals Tribunal last week trying to stop Animals Australia fro getting access through FOI to a particular mortality report from 2005, so who knows what was in that? The outcome of that matter has not yet appeared on any of the law databases.

Nicky

I will have to go back because after a while you get them mixed up. I think he was charged over a dozen times and kept just changing his company name through the department of compliance.

Wasn’t he then put on as a Livecorpe director at some stage even after all these charges of animal cruelty under his belt?

If not him it was someone awfully like him. Still they are all the same and all cowards in my opinion.

I say those Emanuel’s are a bit touchy about being named as live animal exports aren’t they.

They don’t like their real names to be mentioned. They hide under company names it seems.

You know I never could quite work that out. Wouldn’t you think if they really believed live animal exports was something to be proud of they would be happy to be named.

The way they carry on spending our tax dollars trying to convince the public all animal welfare organisations including RSPCA are a bunch of extremists only to run and cry if there real names are printed.

You have got to feel sorry for the kids and grand kids however.. Poor little buggers fancy being raised on the blood money of suffering of millions of animals.

I mean it’s not their fault and one can only imagine the damage this will do to these children as they become adults and more publicity is given to their backgrounds.

It’s all very sad and most unnecessary but who knows maybe they don’t care much about feelings not even their own kids.

All I can say re legal advise is I know for a fact Robert called G and offered the assistance of a QC and barristers free of charge but his promised return contact did not come.

We advise a joint action against the WA Government from AA and the Media whose office was raided for information on an informant.

The back rooms of WA court houses are RUN by WA Government Interference and WE the public demand it STOPS!

PALE, It is looking like your persistence has some results in the Middle East with The Queensland Country Life reporting that “Those purchasing Australian sheep in Bahrain during the Eid Al Adha festival will be told "no truck, no sheep" under an initiative being implemented by Bahrain Livestock Company.”
http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/news/industry-gets-tough-on-animal-welfare/1364958.aspx?src=enews
Of course there will always be those who will persist in doing it the old way, but we have on good authority Australians will be there to educate the proper procedure in transporting ‘Australian Sheep.’