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Its not just that. I have tried make a start to explain how it starts= 'the control' + what Australia needs to do;

As we have worked with many in Malaysia we see two very different approaches.

However it seems nobody is interested to hear from people with hands on expereince of working with Malaysia and Muslims of Australia.

I am sure it doesnt fit in with the anti Islam agenda to learn of projects to build a closer work arrangment and understanding.

Nobody wants to know about the oportunity on our door step

Just the other day I was in a large shopping complex and noted not just some of them but ALL the Take away food stores were Halal Accredited.

All this while a few yards down was one old chap standing alone collecting for the Salvation Army.

I took the time to walk up to the man and explain to him while he stodd their begging, the Muslim faith had already taken over the entire shopping complex by making money on each item of food that was purchased.

I was, going to explain, as well to posters how the leadership in Australia has changed and what that means to many Australians regarding working with Malaysia.

There is a great deal of unrest that has been going on for some time now.

This effects us 'all' in Australia. Pity about all those Aussie farm animals in need of your support of these projects as well.

Its very clear nobody understands how Islamic faith actually works on this forum and you clearly dont want to be told either. How they actually take control and through which industries.

SO Due to lack of interest in this thread I wont bother.


One cant help but think reap what you dam well deserve.

You want mercury for yourselves but stuff the Australian Farm Animals.

Malaysia on the brink- Lesssons for Australia 'indeed'.

PALE&IF: << I took the time to walk up to the man and explain to him while he stodd their begging, the Muslim faith had already taken over the entire shopping complex by making money on each item of food that was purchased. >>

That's just weird. You start out by complaining about "the anti Islam agenda", and then in the next breath you participate in it.

How exactly does the apparent fact that the takeaway food outlets in a shopping centre are halal-certified equate with your assertion that "the Muslim faith had already taken over the entire shopping complex"? What did you hope to achieve by approaching the Salvo and spouting that particular nonsense?

If takeaway food shops choose to use halal ingredients in order to tap into the domestic Muslim market, I imagine that's a simple business decision based upon a perceived market for halal products.

I don't know which "large shopping complex" you're talking about, but my experience of such places is that they comprise a mix of retail outlets and specialty stores, usually with a food court that sells various kinds of fast food of varying degrees of inedibility. Even if the entire food court was run by fundamentalist Muslims wearing burkhas, that would leave a large majority of other stores - not to mention the centre owners - that are neither Muslim nor halal.

Once again, PALE&IF has posted an hysterical Islamophobic rant - while purporting to have expertise in working with Muslims.

Like I said - weird.

Not weird. If there is money to be made, or question of survival of the farmers, one can be inconsistent.

Halal food is OK by itself, it is obvious that the Muslims copy from the Jewish kosher dietary laws (halacha). However, halal food is only a small part of the repressive Shariah law. By agreeing to halal food or in their promotion, you are also saying that the consumption of any alcoholic drinks is wrong (sinful).

This is very much like the pseudo-left (as opposed to the true-left of Russia, China and Cuba) who condemns Nazism but sucking up to Hitler-lover Ahmadinejad

http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=9098

Philip Tang


The meat industry has been anything but a small especially for Australia + controls many other industries as well including cosmetics which in itself is huge.



We don’t bother to reply to CJ Morgan but I will point out that I wasn’t speaking of Halal taking over one shopping centre_ I was referring to the whole of Australia.




When we first started working with AFIC Dr Ali was President. It was myself who first put the proposal to AFIC to work with Australian farmers so I am hardely Anti Muslim.
The then leaders of AFIC adopted this and we worked hard for many years towards that goal- 'together' + singed a MOU.

Since the change of the guard (so`s to speak) many other things have changed as well.

Anybody following Muslim leadership in Australia would have read a seven page spread in the Muslim times written by Dr Ali and there have been several others.

We support Dr Ali and btw isn’t it funny how we are called by Morgan anti Muslim when we are SUPPORTING them.

We stand united with the many Muslims who out voted Ikebal Patel a few months ago and delivered a vote of no confidence in the new leader.



Now getting back to Malaysia and Australian Farmers and- considering I have no doubt Halal will eventually take control of the meat Industry - I say that our working program with AFIC was always to unite the Aussie Farmers with the purchasers in Malaysia and elsewhere.
It was to form co joint farms and abattoirs in Australia and export the whole of the carcass after our own job supplies were serviced.



If Australian farmers don’t do this with Malaysia Australia will be left behind. We should not be giving our tax payers funds for infrastructure in ME or Malaysia.

Australian tax payers funds should only be spent HERE .


Not to mention it’s in the best interests of our farm Animals.

We are far from anti Islamic however we are concerned at the new Agenda that is against our 'original' MOU with AFIC

Morgan

We are well aware of whats going on and who we can trust to work with Australian farmers and with citizens best interests and who isnt.

It must be rembered that some Muslim Leaders approached Howard eight years ago to make australia a Halal Slaughter country ONLY.

I think they public and especially our farmers need to know WHAT Rudd promised.

If you knew about our laws in Australia or Animal Welfare acts you would know that Halal Slaughter or any slaughter without pre stunning was always illegal

We have a review of Halal Slaughter under way at the moment where some suggestion has been sent from Germany that Halal slaughter without pre stunning is kinder.

I am not getting into that right now and anyway you have shown us over two years you have zero interest in farm Animals Welfare.

As this thread is about Malaysia and our work has been to UNITE Maylasia in a much closer working arragment direct with our farmers to benefit the whole of Australia your comments are way off beat as usual.

Our family regually hosts Muslim heads from all over this country and elsewhere.

Many of these people have become close friends and often stay in our home on regular trips.

It is this type of work we encourage far more of.

There are some fair minded wise Muslim people here and we MUST make sure it is those Muslim People are Government are in bed with.

Not the ones who are so chummy with the live trade industry such as elders AWB etc.

Friendships formed by Australian farmers working shoulder to shoulder in co joint ventures with Maylasia will do a great deal more for this country than a complete take over by the more extreme.

Maylasia is going to play a big part in trade down the track. We need to be partners and friends - not the lackys of the trade industry.

Regardless or not if people are Muslim or Non Muslim we speak out.

We have knowledge in the area in which we speak of- unlike yourself.

David
Its pretty clear who owns this thread .Its also clear as a bell you dont have the knowledge to debate me on this- or the best interest for Australia.
All you want to do is spread warnings of Islam.
Well heres a bit of info for you. If Rudd doesnt do something to bring these plants back to Australia and exports Halal Carcuss we can kiss Australia as we know know it goodbye.

( Thats puting Animal Welfare aside. And! If we contiune to do that in OUR Gods name we deserve all we get. Its called karma.