Good always wins in the end. People like Fractelle, Romany, Celivia, Anansi and others have shown that considered and logical debating can easily counter the personal smears, put downs, and genderising of the issues by antiseptic. People like myself, samsung and JW who have chosen to confront antiseptic, have shown that antiseptic can't handle the "same" confrontation he likes to dish out to others (God help his ex partners). Bullies like him are always the first to fold. His false accusations and sly innuendos against people who don't agree with him, people who are on this forum and people he has encountered outside this forum, has got him nowhere. He's been unable to back up his false claims, and like all bullies he's unable to admit he got things wrong.

The women here have shown good, considered debating skills.

Women = 10 points
Antiseptic = 1 point.

Good result. Good, honest people always triumph in the end.

SillyG:"He's been unable to back up his false claim"

If you wish to discuss the subject of the post that JW deleted, please take it up with the forum moderator.

Do seek help getting over your obsession with me, you obviously desperately need it.

RObert,
"A link was provided to an abstract on the MRA website of an article looking at 16 cases which appeared to meet the criteria for PAS written by people other than Richard Gardner."
I haven't been able to find this info on that website, if it's not too much trouble do you have a link directly to that? I'm particularly interested in learning more about the PAS criteria.

Antiseptic,
Thanks, I'm researching the duluth model and others from overseas ATM.
I'd support a petition also.

Romany,
"Antiseptic's idea for preventing and combatting DV would further the distinction and would not allow all kinds of behaviour to be blanketed confusingly and unfairly within the DV label as it is currently."
Well said, I fully agree.

Thanks for this thread, RObert, I might follow any further postings here but not post here anymore to make some time free for doing some more reading on this issue and for other threads, but I've gained a lot from the info provided here and the ideas presented.

Thanks to everyone for your valuable contributions.

Celivia the link I refered to was in the post at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2217#47820

The link is http://www.mensrights.com.au/index.php?article_id=14

I'm not sure how good the material is, my referencing it was to demonstrate the tactics rather than vouch for the article.

My own impression is that the "S" in PAS has been debunked, it's not a mental health syndrome. The idea that adults involved in childrens lives can and do inappropriately involve children in their disputes with other adults has not been debunked.

R0bert

"My own impression is that the "S" in PAS has been debunked, it's not a mental health syndrome. The idea that adults involved in childrens lives can and do inappropriately involve children in their disputes with other adults has not been debunked."

Thank you, RObert,
my impression of PAS has been very much the same as yours.

Yes, antiseptic has been unable to back up his false claims; false claims of CSA illegality. He won't name the people involved and back it up with PROOF, because he CAN'T. He's been asked to do this time and time again, and refuses to supply the information.

Why doesn't he?

BECAUSE HE CAN'T. His allegations are false and malicious. Imagine what his three ex partners had to put up with.

I'm happy to have cleared that up.