My point, "seeing things as unalterable fact shows a mind that is not open", has just been proven by steel's post.

I rest my case.

tapp, I gather from your response that you don't consider yourself in the group who "hold existing viewpoints firmly but they are considered viewpoints" but rather one who is unwilling to learn or question. Your choice, I did not have you in mind when I made that post but if you think the shoe fits then thats ok.

If you want me or others with a similar mindset to pay attention to the contents in your wheelbarrow you might try and convince us that the contents are important and that your opinions are considered enough to warrant devoting attention and effort to.

Claims that what you express are facts rather than opinions on such contentious issues as the constitutional validty of elections when those views do not appear to be widely supported don't inspire me to look further. Building a case, citing worthwhile references and demonstrating the significance of your claims may.

Pericles, CJ I've been known to write posts in the heat of the moment and have tried to delay hitting the post button for a while if it looks like a post which I may later be embarased by. I useful technique sometimes.

R0bert

Pericles
"then suddenly ask yourself, "do I really believe that?" Then delete the post."
I never read my text before I post it!
Few times when I read it I deleted it and I did not post any text!

Robert
these are 2 parts out of your post.

I find those who come here mostly to instruct and promote rather than to learn have little to teach that I value.

Rarely do I find anything worth learning from those who think that they have "truth", those who have no interest in learning.

This is why i replied.
For those who just laugh at me that is ok, what i have learnt is research is valuable, and from this comes a greater understanding.

Everything i have said is fact and the constitutional debates are the reasoning behind the constitution.

And the australian labor peodophile party well even belly knows that truth.

It comes down to the media and what the people are to be told.

They are kept in the dark and fed magic mushrooms just to keep them happy while ignorant of the fact of what political parties,unions,MP's and media are doing around them.

I will see if i can get an article posted as explanation using facts will take quite a bit.

tapp I would be interested in reading an article explaining what some of the constitutional arguments are about. I've never picked up on just what you are pushing in that wheelbarrow nor seen enough to warrant taking the time to try and research it for myself but if you can convince me that it's worth the effort I'll probably do so.

If it's important tell us why.

As for labor pollies and little children - if you want the other issue to get a fair hearing you'd be better to leave that one to a different article unless it is overwhelmingly crucial to the main point. It would be easy to imagine everything else being overwhelmed in discussion of that point.

R0bert

While I am the proud owner of an ALP wheel barrow I think it is more like a shopping trolley.
Likely if it sees a need to dart of down another isle or in another direction.
My party and yours never gets it right always.
We do learn by talking issues out and sometimes we change our ideas.
It is quite true,in NSW the party has self destructed.
No way around it, the chances of this leadership team winning a raffle even if they bought every ticket is zero.
The clerk of the courses horse is more likely to win the Melbourne Cup.
But here I am free to say it.
At a branch meeting?
It is healthy to question our leaders, every party's leaders but lets be sure we understand the questions we ask.