Belly, Foxy, Col and Antiseptic well said.

I find those who come here mostly to instruct and promote rather than to learn have little to teach that I value. The wisdom I've found her comes mostly from those who have minds willing to consider other idea's, to put aside their pre-conceptions and weight their beliefs against alternate viewpoints. Sometimes they hold existing viewpoints firmly but they are considered viewpoints. At other times ideas are still being very actively explored. Rarely do I find anything worth learning from those who think that they have "truth", those who have no interest in learning.

R0bert

Yup, it's all good.

One of the most exciting aspects of a forum like this - to me, anyway - is that moment when you rush to express your view, dash off a couple of scintillating paragraphs, then suddenly ask yourself, "do I really believe that?"

Then delete the post.

And have another think.

Agreed - for the most part anyway. To me, OLO provides a forum where I get to express ideas that I probably wouldn't volunteer publicly all that often in the small country town where I live, and also where I am exposed to ideas that I wouldn't otherwise generally read or hear.

As Pericles said - it's all good, really. And I'm delighted to learn that I'm not the only one who writes comments and then deletes them in entirety on occasions. I always feel strangely virtuous when I do that ;)

It is people like robert who dismiss the fact that when i say the truth this is based on fact.

This is not what i am told or how to think.

Those who do not wish to find the truth will just be like robert and dismiss it.

The heiner affair FACT

Unconstitutional 2001 election FACT

Citizenship is a load of federal bull FACT

These facts can be found in constitutional debates and lindberg and senate papers.

FACT

If you believe the FACTS are wrong prove it as even rudd hasnt taken me for defamation of himself the labor party or unions.

FACT

I have no need to push a wheelbarrow as i will keep going with the truth/facts.

Tapp, even in constitutional law, law that's set in stone, opinion plays a major role. Seeing anything in life as unalterable fact, shows a mind that is not open. If we are incapable of admitting we're wrong, incapable of change, then our full learning capacity will never be reached.

samsung, "Seeing anything in life as unalterable fact, shows a mind that is not open."

No, it usually shows a mind capable of distinguishing fact from fiction. Opinions are worthless at the minimum and destructive at the maximum, if they do not address fact, or at least follow simple logic and reason.

samsung>" If we are incapable of admitting we're wrong, incapable of change, then our full learning capacity will never be reached."

Perhaps you should read your post just now in the Censors win out thread. You are in dire need of such advice, but I suspect with a high degree of certainty that your opinions are strongly partisan.