Dear mjpb,

As I've said to you previously, don't pre-judge
Dr Paul Collins, read the entire book, then
evaluate what he has to say in its proper
context. It may make more sense to you.

As for Father James Kavanaugh - he is an ordained
priest. And as far as I know - he's never left the
priesthood.

Now, I must leave this thread - because I feel
that it's well and truly run its course.

However I do want to Thank You for your
input into this thread.

It has been interesting

Dear steel,

For some reason you ask am I religious. No I'm not, but why did you ask with such a sarcastic manner?

You seem to have a real problem with yourself and your attitude towards some others. Seriously, you need help to get rid of all that personal angst you display here.

Your rude comments on this forum are a reflection not on the people you aim them at, they are a reflection on you.

"...read the entire book, then evaluate what he has to say in its proper context. It may make more sense..."

I bought it from an Australian source so it might already be in the mail box.

"As for Father James Kavanaugh - he is an ordained priest. And as far as I know - he's never left the priesthood."

You can't believe everything you read in the media but with something like that I assume it was correct... Definitely gone.

"Now, I must leave this thread - because I feel that it's well and truly run its course."

Probably correct.

"However I do want to Thank You for your input into this thread."

And thank you for your input and in particular the reassurance about Christianity.

"It has been interesting"

For me too. In addition to the interesting discussion, the historical discoveries I encountered were interesting to me even though they might not be everyone's cup of tea. I had an idea about the scriptures and a vague idea about the history but I have learned a lot for example the pre-Elvira history and indications of sexual continence both East and West (contrary to the Western stereotype and contemporary situation).

Robert,

In the thick of things I never commented on your key point about how steep it was for the wives of continent clergy. While that is correct (in the context that the vocation was more valued in those days so it might have been like the modern 'doctor's wife') it is likely that their consent was required (as all analogous marital continence was by mutual consent) and there is historical indications that, like their husband, they had to appear to be someone who could be continent. Potential clergy with wives with a sexually shady background were refused ordination.

Samsung,

This can be a haven for rudeness. My belief for what it is worth is that this forum largely attracts a bunch of extremists who enter into discussions with each other. This, and the controversial nature of some of the topics, often leads to a certain robustness in discussion.

Huffnpuff - I'd like to get in contact with you re: Daruk. Do you have an email address I can use?

Cheers,

R8

Foxy,

As you attempt to wrap up this discussion a 190 page paperback book with a prominant Pope looking hat on the front has made its timely appearance.

Dear mjpb,

Thanks for letting me know.

I'd be interested to get your
views, after you've read it.

So please keep in touch.