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Cardinal George Pell has been in the news again, claiming that
the West needs to "populate or perish".

He seems concerned by the declining birthrates in the West.

Given that world population keeps increasing by around 80 million
a year, we have gone from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion in 100 years,
based on cheap oil, what is his problem?

Clearly the world can't handle an ever increasing human population,
its not sustainable. We are already struggling with resources and
denying other species a spot on this planet.

So what is George's real problem? He does mention the West,
forgetting the massive growth in total human population.

Is George concerned at the drop in numbers of the white tribe?
Or is George concerned that the Muslims might outbreed the
Catholics, so his church will suffer?

Would it really matter if the potpourri of human genetics means
that in some hundreds of years, humans are mostly light tan in colour?

Can any of his followers please explain?
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 3:11:28 PM
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I'm not one of Pells followers and I don't care if we are all light tan in colour a hundred years from now.

What does concern me is that freedom and democracy continue to grow and flourish. Unfortunately, most of the population growth globally is from regions/countries which have no democratic tradition.

If it were not for the ridiculous policy of multiculturalism, we could assimilate these people into our communities and feel comfortable knowing that democracy and freedom are safe. But under multiculturalism, as we take on our share of the worlds overpopulation through migration etc, we also have to accept their worldviews as being as legitimate as ours or any other is, for organising this country.

In France at the moment they are waking up to the dangers that multiculturalism poses to their society. For them it is too late however, and the changes they are making will provoke significant community unrest. Ie more ramapging "youths".

So for me it is simple, if we want to preserve our values and our way of life, (most australians do) we need to at least maintain our population. At current birthrates the Australian born population will begin to decline within 20 years. Many European countries have populations which are already in decline.

Besides the economic problems of an aging society there are the social and cultural aspects which we will have no control over.

So, Coffee coloured but democratic and free, thats fine.
but Coffee coloured and oppressed by religious or political dictators, no thanks.
Posted by Paul.L, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 11:07:05 AM
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The all-consuming RC Empire just wants more converts, not for Jesus so much, as for the vast endtimes apostate church Mystery Babylon.

Scatter the people, train them and equip them and we do very well against any incursion from the north.
Posted by Gibo, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 12:04:05 PM
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Gibo,
I sure hope it's not necessary to be like you to be a true Christian.
Imagine spending eternity in a place where everybody is an intolerant bigot like yourself.

Many people have found Christ through the Roman Catholic Church. I might not be in agreement with all their teachings, but what is more important: The denomination in which a person comes to know Christ or the fact they have come to know Christ?
Posted by Steel Mann, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 12:31:04 PM
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I agree that George Pell definitely
wants there to be a population growth.

Afterall, he's against abortion, birth-control,
and supports the "normal" family of mother, father
and children. Traditions that to him,
have made his religion
what it is.

Encouraging a population growth is the way
he sees to ensure
the continued defense of his
traditional Catholic values,
and the marketing of his "one true God."
While he continues to oppose homosexuality,
stem cell legislation, the ordination of
women priests, and accountability of his
fellow clergy for sexual abuse.

"I've no option other than to preach
the gospel the way I have received it
and try to live it..."

The rest of us wait in hope for Rome to change
its, and Pell's, legalistic ways.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 1:42:04 PM
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Oops, the adminstrators must be having a bad hair day, that's not
how I spelt the title.

*The rest of us wait in hope for Rome to change*

Foxy, you are not the only one saying that. IMHO they have
people power against them and only a small % of Catholics
in the first world, take the Vatican stance on family planning,
in any way seriously. Sadly, in the third world, many women
don't have that choice and Rome still has a huge influence.

Promoting ever more babies, given our global situation,
seems incredibly irresponsible to me.

http://www.prolife.org.ph/page/population_control

By what I have been able to gather, the pope who only lasted
a month and then died mysteriously, was about to free up
Catholic dogma, but was strongly opposed by the conservatives,
within the political infighting going on in the Vatican.

After he fell off the papal perch, the conservatives gained hold
and have been there ever since. As they keep appointing new
conservative cardinals who vote, nothing is about to change soon.

No wonder that Catholic Church numbers in the West have dropped
so dramatically. IMHO they are simply out of touch with the
majority of their flock.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 3:00:56 PM
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