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1. resources on planet.

If in the past the resources from our planet was for few million people today is for 6-7 billions and in the future for much more.
If we have problems today this is not because our planet do not have enough resources but because the companies, the big corporations are not interested for the human needs but ONLY HOW TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFITS.
If we have petrol problems today this is not because there are not other resources to solve the energy problems but because the other resources are not so profitable to them.
Do not worry for the resources but for the multinational companies which ignore our needs.

2. I did not write for any specific religious and I DO NOT MEAN ONLY MUSLIMS AND I DID NOT WRITE ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS BUT FOR CIVILIZATIONS, FOR DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS. European civilization started its training with democracy about 2500 before, we can not expect people to change ideas and values from one day to an other.

3. The new technologies are good but controlled from a small number of corporations. Rupert Murdoch controls in high degree the mass media, they create the public opinion, our freedom is very limited even on the internet.
You know what Google and Yahoo did to enter to Chinese market, you know what Murdoch did to BBC to enter to Chinese market, you know how many billion dollars Saudi Monarchy etc have invested in west multinational companies including the news corporation (Murdoch) The new technologies gave us hopes but controlled from the big corporations!

IN REALLY LAST YEARS NOT ONLY THE OTHER CIVILIZATIONS HAVE NOT IMPROVED BUT EVEN OUR CIVILIZATION, OUR DEMOCRACY HAVE STARTED TO HAVE MANY PROBLEMS. THE HUGE POWER OF CORPORATIONS OF CAUSE THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES IS NOT A GOOD SIGN NOT ONLY FOR THE OTHER CIVILIZATIONS BUT EVEN FOR OUR CIVILIZATION.

We have problems, our democracy is at risk from corporations and people from other civilizations in our countries with so many births and so foreign to our values, make our problems even bigger.

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid
Posted by ASymeonakis, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 1:23:37 AM
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Antonios, you misunderstand market economics and our system, if you
think that large corporations exist for your benefit. Corporations
exist to take calculated risks and make a profit. They are not
a charity and nor should they be.

Old Rupert actually lost alot of money in China. Why should anyone
be concerned about him? He is nearly 80, with a young wife to wear
him out. He's going to fall off the proverbial perch one of these
days.

As to resources, do your homework. Global fisheries are not sustainable,
and modern food production has relied largely on cheap oil to
produce cheap food. Make it expensive, as is happening now, as
oil is much more expensive and harder to find, so food will become
far more expensive to produce.

The thing is, all we are basically doing right now is stealing
a bit more land from other species, as we keep multiplying in
numbers, from 1.5 billion one hundred years ago, heading towards
10 billion or so in 50 years. Its just not sustainable.

Go to some large cities like Paris, where people surround the city
in megatowers of concrete, like rats in cages, the human zoo, as
Desmond Morris so aptly described it. No wonder its not working.

Outbreeding each other will solve nothing, just create ever more
problems. Modern warfare is about technology, not the amount
of warriors.

Our demoocracy is certainly not at risk for coroporations, for
they are doing what they are intended to do. Our humanity is
at risk from ever more people living unsustainably
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 4:21:05 PM
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Yabby ,

Spot on with those points except about Rupert's young wife "wearing him out" .

As I understand it the latest research says that plenty of sex and fun in older age actually extends our lives .

Nothing wrong with that is there?
Posted by kartiya jim, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 9:48:42 PM
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Yabby
"Corporations exist to ... make a profit"
Corporates are out of control and many times their activities creates big problems to human beings. The governments must put some rules to corporations before they capture totally our democracy or create even bigger problems to our world.
Without the lies from corporations, which control the mass media, especially Murdoch's media in USA, we could avoid the war in Iraq.
You make a mistake if you think in the name of the profits and because they take some risks they can destroy our environment, they can violate human rights, they can buy politicians, pay mercenaries for cups, create banana's democracies, put at risk people's health, control the public opinion, etc.
I remind you what Thomas Jefferson, the founder from Democratic Party in USA said for corporations.
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed
corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a
trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Thomas Jefferson, 1812
"market economics" does not mean the corporations are not responsible for their acts or that they can ignore people's basic needs, interests or values. I am not neo conservative and I expect from the governments to put some basic rules to corporations.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid
Posted by ASymeonakis, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 1:52:42 AM
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Yabby
"They (corporations)are not a charity"
I did not asked to convert the corporations to charity but for some kind of responsibilities from them.
If I lie and it creates a problem then may be I pass my life in prison.
If one or few corporations, which controls the mass media, lies repeatedly and caused one million Iraqi lives, three trillion dollars to American taxpayers, 100.000 American wounds, etc then there is no problem! The corporations took the "risk" and make money!
If I cause a health problem to a person may be I passed my life in prison but if the Cigarette Corporations sent the half population from our planet to hospitals and the other half to work for the victims from the cigarettes then no problem. Cigarette Corporations took the risks and make money!
If the oil or chemical industries destroy our environment no problem!
These Corporations took the risks and make money!
Are joking Yabby? They put at risk our lives, our jobs, our future, our planet and there are no limits and controls on their activities. There is no accountability for their acts.
Can you tell me what will happen to a politician or political party if try to put some rules to mass media corporations? The politician or political party will be disappeared!
THE TRUTH IS THAT OUR GOVERNMENTS ARE APPOINTED INDIRECTLY FROM THE MASS MEDIA CORPORATIONS, WHICH CONTROL AND CREATE THE PUBLIC OPINION.
ALREADY OUR DEMOCRACY IS CAPTURED FROM THE CORPORATIONS. ONLY THE SEMENS AND ONLY IN GREECE GAVE LAST 12 YEARS ABOUT 100 MILLION EURO, MAINLY TO TWO MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES.

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 9:14:06 AM
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*plenty of sex and fun in older age actually extends our lives .*

Jim, I'm sure that old Rupert will die with a smile on his face :)

Antonios, I don't think that he controls everything in news, as
you claim. He simply knows how to sell to the true believers,
whatever they believe in. From the page 3 girls, to religious
fundamentalists, to the US rednecks, he knows how to push emotional
buttons and it sells.

At the end of the day, it was the US public that voted for
Bush-Chaney-Rove, as little old ladies believed in the Osama
under the bed story. I don't blame the press. I think that
there are some very smart Americans, but huge numbers of rather
stupid ones too.

Of course corporations should not pollute etc. They should abide
by the laws of the land, but its up to politicians to make those
laws.

If people land up voting for idiots like Bush and Chaney, you will
get exactly what you now have in the US, a disaster. Like they
say, people get the politicians that they deserve. Sadly it
seems that people need pain to learn.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 9:50:04 AM
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