Let’s get some facts straight Mugabe is not going anywhere! He has committed to many crimes and will spend the rest of his life in jail if he gives up power. He has a lot of hench men in the same boat with him so they wont be giving up power either. The only way to get this SOB out is to kick him out like we did with Saddam. As Paul said forming comities and agreeing to express collective outrage and then sending him a letter asking him nicely to give up power is as ridiculous as the people who purpose it to be a solution are. The only way is to use force!

There was a classic left wing article posted on OLO about a month ago about Afghanistan and how this woman “a refugee herself” was demanding Australia pull all it troops out of Afghanistan. I did post on this article to pour condemnation on the author for such and ignorant piece of writing but is was deleted by the administrator. This woman was waving the flag for the left and thus proving how totally ignorant they are and how they fail to see the big picture. For one thing she failed to take into account the hundreds of Australians who die every year from heroin over doses and the thousands which cause crimes from muggings to bank robbery to support their habit and then of course the hundreds of thousands which are affected directly or indirectly whether they be the victims themselves or family and friends of the addicts. And lets not talk about the cost to tax payers.

85% of all the Heroin in the world comes from Afghanistan is that not reason enough to stay there?

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=7462

Paul L you have taken the words right out of my mouth! Well said!

Foxy,

In case you didn't know, John Pilger is the epitome of the soft-left mindset. He has a massive political agenda which he pretends does not exist. He's basically a marxist with the sharp edges removed.

Critics of Pilger have coined the verb "to pilger",or "pilgerise" meaning "to present information in a sensationalist manner to reach a foregone conclusion.

Besides all that, I've read the book, thank you Foxy. However it was a waste of my time.

I again waste my time, trying to tell the very right the left is not to blame for Mugabe.
I too would like to see him and those who keep him in power, in prison forever.
And let it happen so even if it is war that removes him.

Belly,

Belly >> “Who of us would not agree he should be removed and face the courts for genocide?”

The thing that angers me and others is that Mugabe isn’t anywhere near as bad as Saddam Hussein. Yet there are many on the left who lambasted the coalition for having the nerve to suggest “regime change” was a reasonable course of action to take against Saddam. And many of these same people are now clamouring for someone to do something about Mugabe. Do they think getting rid of Mugabe would be cost free?

Belly >> “If the world is ever to live in peace something like the United Nations must take action in such cases.

The problem with the current makeup of the UN is that it allows dictators and anti-democrats to have a democratic say in the running of the organisation. Those countries have no place in the UN. Further, the fact that the Russians and the Chinese have veto power on the Security Council is ridiculous and has effectively neutered the organisation. Even the French have used their veto to pursue their attempts to become a more influential global power.

A Security Council seat should be extended only to (democratic) countries which are actually prepared to provide troops, with that countries voting weight determined by their total population vs troop commitment ratio. That way the UN has a standing army which can be committed if need be, and those who will actually provide the means have a greater say in the outcome.

Belly >> “I have a question for posters in this thread , have any of you not shivered after seeing North Korean film of a brainwash suffering people? A whole nation educated to love a monster? to never know the truth?”

Do you remember how many people laughed at Bush when he revealed his axis of evil? North Korea is ruled by a truly evil regime, without doubt. I’m not suggesting military action would be effective here, but China’s role in the Security Council has shielded North Korea and many others from well deserved opprobrium.

Is Robert Mugabe Zimbabwe's Idi Amin?

Dear Paul,

Thanks for responding to my post on Pilger.

No, I didn't know he was a Marxist.

I believe in reading as much as I can about any
given situation - be it Madeline Albright's book,
or Pilger's. Then deciding for myself.

As far as Pilger is concerned, I went on the
fact that he's twice won British journalism's
highest award, that of Journalist of the Year, for his
work all over the world, especially as a war correspondent.

For his documentary film-making, he's won France's Reporter sans
Frontieres, an American television Academy Award, an 'Emmy,'
and the Richard Dimbleby Award, given by the
British Academy of Film and Television Arts, for a
lifetime's factual broadcasting.

I'm not trying to be contentious here, but you must
admit, his credentials are impressive.

Of course, that doesn't make him right, is the point you're
making, and I respect that.

I do however feel that the more you know about a subject,
the better you can decide for yourself where the truth lies.