Aside from all the occult rituals and magic evocation undertaken in all churches , the magic tricks of god and jesus. I wonder if you would explain your view to the multitudes of Pentecostals and Baptists and those who get up at 4am to watch TV evangilists who follow the teachings of David Eike and believe non-christians are lizard people who creep out at night and devour sleeping Christians and that the world is run by a 6 member committee in Luxemburg answering only to satan, controlling our every move through bar codes. Or perhaps address the Catholics that believe in such occult phantoms as saints. Or even the looneys who believe in demonic posession and exorcism?

Westy,

Perhaps your hostility is due to some misconceptions about Christians. I might be able to clarify some things for you.

You have heard that or heard things that make you believe that:

1. "Will they burn me as a witch because I lived next door to lesbians?"
2. "I cannot trust anybody who believes in miracles and demons to provide appropriate health care."
3. "God does not exist outside of the believers mind."
4. "For a surgeon ...He can afford to be sloppy because miracles (magic) will fix mistakes."
5. "According to the Bible God is completely ignorant of even basic biology."
6. "Regardless placing Bibles next to hospital beds is not helping others , it is an advertising campaign."
7. "Pentecostals and Baptists ...believe non-christians are lizard people who creep out at night and devour sleeping Christians..."
8. Catholics that believe in such occult phantoms as saints.

What you have heard are myths.

With regard to 1 Christians aren't into witch burning and having female homosexual neighbours was never an indicia of those who rebelled against the Church and went on a witch burning foray.

With regard to 2 people like Dr Chan have proved to be very capable physicians. There is good reason to trust them based on their track record and expertise.

With regard to 3 it is only about 2000 years ago that God was in the flesh on earth bringing people back to life. He definitely exists.

With regard to 4 Christian surgeons are highly unlikely to have that belief.

With regard to 5 the Bible indicates that God has knowledge of every hair on your head. He is the creator according to the Bible.

With regard to 6 could you consider it possible that some people are already Christians and may like to read the Bible?

With regard to 7 that belief would be incredibly unusual in those denominations.

With regard to 8 Catholics don't believe in occult phantoms called saints. Saints are just good Christians in the Catholic belief.

I hope this helps.

Mjpb

With regard to 1 Christians can only witch burn if it is part of their beief system. Christians did burn children , women and men for hundreds of years therefore witch burning or the ethnic cleansing of others which witch burning is fundamental to the belief of Christians. The comment was tongue in cheek , I was referring to Family First who launched themselves calling to burn lesbians as witches in the name of Jesus.

With regard to 2 I would consider Dr Chan an exception. Of course some people will not let their delusions affect their professional conduct. Ironically you are saying when it comes to application of beliefs they have no place in the real world. The belief in god is like alcoholism , an alcoholic doctor may hide his addiction successfully but like religion , when alcoholism affects the doctor disaster follows. There was a case in the Flinders Medical Centre in South Australia last year where a doctor refused treatment to a patient and prayed instead.

With regard to 3 it is only about 2000 years ago that God was in the flesh on earth bringing people back to life. He definitely exists. That’s a big statement wheres your proof? If god exists why do you speak for god? , why can’t god speak for himself? Why have a Bible if god exists? The cult of Christianity is just a rehashed form of the Roman military cult of Chrisos. There is no evidence for the existence of Jesus at all. The first non- superstitious mention of Jesus is from Tacitus around 115 AD. As for God , Jehova was invented well within written history.

With regard to 4 Christian surgeons are highly unlikey to follow David Eike. You have to speak to more Christians , they have a lot of crazy demonological fantasy theories , not only from David Eike but from all sorts. Watch Christian TV and listen to their radio sometimes , Christianity is bursting with all sorts of crazies preaching everything from shadow haunting to rapture

Mjpb

With regard to 5 the Bible indicates that God has knowledge of every hair on your head. No - you are simply wrong. Geographically, historically, biologically and even anthropologically the Bible is wrong. The Bible is as only as knowledgeable as Ben Sira who wrote it to stop the Jews fighting. The Old Testament even reflects the awareness of Ben Sira who studied in Greece. The new testament is even worst as it demonstrates very limited awareness of Jerusalem and describes everything from the perspective of those who must have lived in Western Turkey. Even the crucifixion doesn’t follow Roman law for a petty criminal like Jesus to be brought before Pilate something Constantine should have picked up upon. Record wise Pilate never mentioned Jesus never reported Jesus to Rome. Odd for the son of God to slip under the radar.

With regard to 6 Yes but why are Christians more important than everybody else?

With regard to 7 that belief would be incredibly unusual in those denominations. Just spend time with them yes David Eike is more a messiah to the Pentecostals than to Baptists. This is possibly an age thing as Baptists are more often old and Pentecostals are especially immature.

With regard to 8 Catholics don't believe in occult phantoms called saints. I disagree. Catholics hold a cult of patron saints. Catholics believe the Saint is magic, just like Jesus and god. Saints are just as ridiculous as possession , excorcism , miracles or any other type of magic.

I hope this helps.

West,
Pilate did write to Caesar that he had Jesus put to death. [See: Lost Books of the Bible} The records do exist of the events and Caesar sent a posse to Jerusalem to bring Pilate to Rome for questioning, but he committed suicide because he knew what his fate would be for putting an innocent man to death. Pilate's wife recognised the character of Jesus and warned Pilate about this step.

With regard the New Testament it has been used to identify places in modern archeology. So your claim it was written in Turkey is purely your immagination.

I would like to write a lot more here, but am leaving for two weeks.

Absolute nonsense Philo. What you are claiming is simply lies made up by various Church based organisations. A good rule of thumb is that books that are advertised on Evangelical TV or radio programs or in churches are nothing but total lies and propaganda pieces.

But you do make an interesting illustration. It seems the only arguments supporting Jesus are based on complete lies. If Jesus actually existed why do Christians have to lie to make it appear as if Jesus actually existed?

Ironically I would have thought lying is a sin but then Christianity has become lie dependent.

Tacitus was the first person outside of the occult of Christianity to mention Jesus. Even then he only says they worshiped their founder Jesus. He only explains why Nero blamed Christians for the fire of Rome. Interestingly at that stage the Cult of Christianity was a very decadent cult it is highly possible Christians did start the fires. It is only Suetonius who claimed that Nero started the fire but there is conjecture this was based on political bias. Pilate never mentioned Jesus, Herod’s records never mentioned Jesus. There is no mention of Jesus at the time Jesus was meant to exist. It is suspiciously coincidental that the story of Jesus is very similar to the story of Chrisos the deity of the Roman soldier.

Don’t believe anything you hear in Church or Christian media , it is just fiction to reinforce myth. Without Myth theologians and other types of conmen will be unemployed.