Correction: "Is logos material or immaterial? Neither? ... in a theist's world view? If neither, you have adopted a realm of non-existent existence: metaphysical perhaps, but, said metaphysical construct is not immaterial NOR matgerial. - Olly

I appreciate that at times my posit is not clear, especially with the words, Null and Real:

Last night, I was The Tarner Lectures [1956] on "Mind and Matter", Edwin Schrodinger's paper, "The Physical Basis for Consciousness" also required a curly explanation/wording. Well, Ed. called the Realm a Domain, in a different context to our tpic; but regarding concept, close. Herein, Schrodinger asks, I am paraphasing/ condensing a page:

"If satient beings did not exist; would the domain of consciousness play to an empty house?"

Restated for us;

Would 1 + 1 = 2, play to an empty house, if neithre God nor the Universe existed.

Foxy,

Spinoza would agree with your God + Realm. He argued the thought of God penetrtated everything. Herein, your posit, restated could be,
x(y), a co-efficient. Such a position has significant onocological implications. Does a rock have soul? Does Stan contain the thought of God.

Hello All.

O.

George, where are you?

So we stay on track:

Would the Domain of Formulae "play to an empty house" [but still exist], without the existence of God or The Universe? [Thanks Ed.]

Religionists, please think of the Domains of Formulae, God and The Universe, having internal consistency, as when building a conceptual model. Thanks.

Oliver,

nice of you to call me. I have been following this thread only superficially firstly because I have been too busy, and secondly because, frankly speaking, I could not understand what it was all about, e.g. the strange speculations about mathematical concepts and relations between them. You cannot even define the term “exist“ in a way that would be acceptable to everybody (see e.g. Bertrand Russell's criticism of St. Anselm’s Argument for the existence of God based on different understandings of the term).

For instance, many (most?) mathematicians believe in the existence of mathematical concepts (i.e. that they exist in a world of their own, outside our mind), everybody believes in the existence of their own thoughts and mental constructs “inside their minds”, practically everybody believes in the existence of a material world external to our mind that our senses and instruments relate to, and most monotheists believe in the existence of God modeled by our mind and cultures (notably “holy books”). Nevertheless, it is hard to define the term “exists” in such a way that it would encompass all these instances (and possibly others, e.g. a multiverse of many universes whose existence might follow only from the mathematical models of the physical theories explaining verifiable phenomena).

So I am sorry, but I do not understand questions like “what would hold about this realm if that realm did not exist”, since all these realms that you refer to, if I understand them properly, are intrinsically interconnected.

Hello George,

What about my post, as restated, after reading Schrondinger's attempt at a word-tangle? In my post above yours', Schrondinger uses the word "domain", whereas, I have said, "realm"*.

My use of the word null came from having been an analyst/programmer, a long time ago. Here, a null does have a [lowest] value, a position on the bit-map. Sometimes programmers assign unprintable characters to null. In the cyber world it does not exist, does exist as a magnetic entry on a computer.

If, like Foxy and Spinoza, one says God's thought permeates everything, i.e., there are no independent domains; without God; we have the serious ontological issues, I have abovementioned.

If, god did not exist and the Universe did not exist, would 1 + 1 = 2 exist, unobserved? Do we need any configuration of the Universe(s) to be, or, God to be, Hamlet to be, for 1 + 1 = 2, to be? Playing to "an empty house" as E.S. would say.

I will do some homework on the word "exist". My philosphy books have arrived from HK but are boxed-upped. It's good to be back in Oz.

I fully understand if you just follow/view the posts, owing to your other commitments. Hope you enjoyed your time with your daughter.

In July, the pace with of own research should pick-up a bit, as the chemo-brain effects subside. I'm going along okay with the treatment.

Your are correct, I am a seeker.

Best wishes... Have a happy day.

O.

* I read ES's [1956] essay, after the earlier posts.

researched_your-word-definitions

Exist=EL[logus]
ex·ist
–verb (used without object)
1. to have actual-being; to-be: whether you like it or not.
2. to have life or animation; live/logus.
3. to continue to-be or live: Belief it still exists.
4. to-have-being in a specified-place[heaven] or-under certain conditions;

Existance=ex·ist·ence [el-ME made-we]
–noun 1. the-state or-fact of existing; being.
2. continuance in-being or-life; life: for-existence.
3. mode-of existing: E
4. all that-exists: Existence shows-a-universal order.
5. being-something that exists; entity; being.

null[hell]
A-special-value used in several-languages to_represent the_thing referred to-by an uninitialised-pointer.BEING_yet-not-being[in-hell]

In NULL is-a-special-marker[abcence-of-light/love/logus] used to indicate-that a-data value[EL] is-unknown
A value indicating that-a-=variable [L]contains no-valid data.
lacking any legal or binding force; "null/hell''

and void;[hell]
invalidate: declare invalid
clear of occupants or empty or clear of something
containing nothing; "
In law, void means of no legal effect
the earth was without form, and void"

realm [heaven]
kingdom: a-domain in which something-[love]-is-dominant;
"the untroubled kingdom of reason";
"a land of-make-cinfirmed-believe[belief]";
"the rise-of the-realm of light/life/love
...
domain:
a knowledge domain that you are interested in or are communicating about; "it was a UN-limited domain of discourse";
"here we enter the region of opinion"; "the realm of the occult"
kingdom:
the domain ruled by a king or queen

domain
the set of values of the independent variable for which a function is defined
In mathematics, a domain of a k-place relation L ⊆ X1 × … × X'k is one of the sets X'j, 1 ≤ j ≤ k.

In abstract algebra, a domain is a ring with 0 ≠ 1 such that ab = 0 implies that either a = 0 or b = 0
(the zero-product property).
That is, it is a nontrivial ring without left or right zero divisors.

empty[=]
[the=space=inbetween=that=sepperates=definative=being from=realm from=realm]
holding or containing nothing; "empty=hours"
make void or empty of contents;

become empty or void of its content; "The room emptied"
[yet-mine fathers house has-many-rooms-realm/domains]

devoid of significance or point; "empty=promises"; "a hollow=victory"; "vacuous=comments"

vacate: leave behind empty; move=out=of;[pass-through] "You must vacate your office by tonight?"
having nothing inside; "an empty=sphere

Pericles - "one under god, if you want people to read your posts, I strongly suggest that you refrain from all those hyphens."

I for one find the hyphens useful. They tell me to hit the scroll button.