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A Culling Bloody Shame

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The Department of Environment and Conservation in W.A. that foxes and feral cats are threatening the existence of the following in Western Australia:

Bilby
Woylie
Carpet python
Numbat
Western ringtail possum
Banded bare wallaby
Mallee fowl
Western swamp tortoise

The Western Shield program has shown an increase in numbers of native animals in the Jarrah forest. Woylie numbers have increased in Batalling Forest after baiting began in 1991. Woylies are now no longer and endangered species in this area.

Western Shield, the Department's leading nature conservation program, is safeguarding Western Australia's native animals. Launched in 1996, it is now the biggest wildlife conservation program ever undertaken in Australia.

The main weapon in the fight against the fox and feral cat is use of the naturally occurring poison 1080, found in native plants called gastrolobiums or 'poison peas'. While our native animals have evolved with these plants and have a high tolerance to the poison, introduced animals do not.
In the southwest forests, scientific research and monitoring has shown that where baiting has reduced fox numbers, there has been a dramatic increase in native animal numbers. Trap success rates for medium-sized mammals in the jarrah forest of Kingston Block, near Manjimup, reflect a seven-fold increase since baiting began in 1993.

The key to this success - predator control through baiting. Western Shield involves aerial and hand baiting on almost 3.5 million hectares of Department-managed land. Baiting operations take place four times a year throughout the State from as far north as Karratha to Esperance in the south. Smaller nature reserves are baited more frequently.

Of course farmers can also use Foxoff which uses as the main ingredient sodium fluoroacetate which is also the main ingredient of 1080 and comes from several species of Australian plants. Shooting is extremely difficult in difficult terrain and much less effective. When I was shooting and baiting foxes in the early to mid 80’s, baiting with cyanide resulted in approximately 95% of fox casualties and shooting only 5%
Posted by myopinion, Sunday, 15 June 2008 10:48:36 PM
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Horses were used extensively for station work. With the advent of motor cycles etc, many station owners released these horses to the bush to become feral.

I've been a guest at a pastoral station where the cat ate my strawberries. It was desperately hungry. The litter, I was advised by the well-respected station owner, was abandoned in the bush. Two cattle dogs are tied to the two posts at the arid entrance to the property in 43 degree heat and 2 half, 44 gallon drums for them to keep "cool" in. They were extremely savage and stressed and the owners were completely oblivious.

TRTL, there are current kangaroo shooters who claim they can't find any.

In the meantime, the 1080 bait is proven useless, the Tazzie devil suffers from facial cancers, the livestock suffers a myriad of diseases from bleeding them dry - diseases infecting humans, kangaroos suffers toxoplasmosis and blindness, the live exports - "a blight on our collective conscience, as millions of animals are brutalised, year in, year out, in the full knowledge of those who send them," whilst the wool industry has employed celebrities to beat PETA at their own game:

Shannon Noll and Gina Jeffries, fashion designer, Alex Perry, together with retailer, Myer.

The most comical and astonishing quotes for the week came from Max Watts head of WAFarmers wool sector (unbelievable eh Nicky?):

"Mulesing was introduced in Australia in the 1930s but was not common practice in WA until the 1950s because the breeds used in WA until then tended to have fewer folds in their skin, making them less susceptible to fly strike."

So while the farmers angled for more wool production by breeding sheep with woolly bums and pretty pleats, this imbecile, in typical fashion for those who believe they're God's gift to the planet they've trashed, and who expect and receive more handouts than a Russian Ogliarch stated:

"It would be far better for PETA to contribute some of their funds to finding an alternative."

Yeah....right you are Mr Bean!
Posted by dickie, Sunday, 15 June 2008 11:00:55 PM
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Hi all

Which, Dickie, bears out everything I said about these "feral" animals being there because of human neglect, negligence, indifference and/or ignorance.

1080, strychnine and cyanide are cruel, vicious, indefensible substances. If such measures are approved, it should be mandatory that they contain a barbiturate component so that the animal is unconscious as the poisons take effect. 1080, or sodium monofluoroacetate, is beginning to attract international attention now.

The stories of the treatment of farm dogs are many and tragic. One I read was of a Kelpie puppy, who was tied to the farm gate. There it stayed for 12 years. The farmer and his wife had two lap dogs, who lived in the house with them, while the Kelpie went insane on the chain at the farm gate until it finally died. But they are WORKING dogs, of course.

Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Sunday, 15 June 2008 11:16:55 PM
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Dickie – “In the meantime, the 1080 bait is proven useless.”

Well of course you would know more than people like myself and many other property owners who have in the past used it extensively for the control of foxes.

You would obviously know more than CALM, The Department of Environment and Conservation in W.A., the Agricultural Department and the CSIRO.

If you can’t understand the information that I have posted regarding the use and effects of 1080, please feel free to ask and I will try and explain it in simpler terms.

Nicky – “If such measures are approved, it should be mandatory that they contain a barbiturate component so that the animal is unconscious as the poisons take effect. 1080, or sodium monofluoroacetate, is beginning to attract international attention now.”

Well Einstein, 1080 baiting is approved. "Is beginning to attract international attention now." Oh well another ‘cause’ for the fanatics like Peta and the hairy arm pit brigade to rail against….Next!

Nicky – “The stories of the treatment of farm dogs are many and tragic. One I read was of a Kelpie puppy, which was tied to the farm gate…..it stayed for 12 years….went insane.”

Insane, well there’s a word that would describe you and dickie to a tee. Of course all farmers behave badly, have no morals rah, rah, rah, rah……more rah, rah! Another one of your pathetic generalisations.

Dickie – “Max Watts head of WA Farmers wool sector”…”this imbecile”…” Mr Bean.”

Another person who has said something that dickie doesn’t like. Well be rest assured that he wouldn’t care what you have to say as his level of success in life would no doubt be a lot higher than yours.

The continual use by you to use the starving children of the world as part of an emotive reason for your arguments is flawed as previously explained to you. As pointed out before by myself and others, generalisations are not an argument, neither is hearsay.
Do continue though with your tripe, it's pathetic but amusing. In fact if it wasn't so funny it would be sad.
Posted by myopinion, Monday, 16 June 2008 12:00:58 AM
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* But they are WORKING dogs, of course.*

Err hang on, my dogs are working dogs. They have beanbag each,
have never seen a chain in their lives. All this generalisation
about farmers is in your little imagination.

*If such measures are approved, it should be mandatory that they contain a barbiturate component so that the animal is unconscious as the poisons take effect. *

I can just see the regulators approving that one! Heaps of oldies
are flying to Mexico to obtain their dose of Nembutal, for when
its time to say goodbye. They could avoid all the expense, simply
swallow one of your baits! You have buckley's. The Catholic
Church would protest loudly. Euthanasia is not accepted in Australia
and they will fight it tooth and nail.
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 16 June 2008 12:17:11 AM
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nicky and dickie I have a question for you. How much pain does a fox, feral cat or wild dog feel when it gets shot in the head by a .17 calibre (4.37mm), 25 grain projectile travelling at between 3600 to 3200 fps?

When the projectile enters the brain and then breaks apart at that velocity, how much pain or consciousness do you think the animal has? Do you think it thinks, "My god I have just been shot in the head by that cruel farmer."

You won’t know the answer, although you’ll probably pretend you do, so I’ll supply the answer.

None! It is instant death as far as the brain and nervous system is concerned.

Now by your terms you classify that as cruel. By my terms I don’t.

I classify this as cruel, and in every case I have seen this myself.

Damage by foxes:

The heads of 27 geese bitten off and not one eaten.
Over a dozen chooks killed in a chook pen, none taken or eaten.
Over a 25 year period hundreds of lambs killed by foxes. These included with their tails half bitten off and tongues and anuses eaten out.
Baby calves killed with the above damage.

If this is what they do to animals that I can readily see, what damage do you think they are doing to the natural wildlife? In my opinion the only good fox is a dead one.

Your continual melodramatic assumptions and your prima donna attitudes are laughable. You sprout off about everything and anything and in reality know very little. Typical 'arm chair detectives'. I pity anyone that knows you in real life and has to listen to your continual diatribe of accusations and guilt shifting, just so that you two obviously mentally challenged and sexually frustrated hags can make yourselves feel good. LOL. You two have really got some very serious mental issues that you should have seen to.
Posted by myopinion, Monday, 16 June 2008 1:07:09 AM
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