Fair enough BOAZ_David you got me I misspelt empirical. So I suppose you made a single valid point.
This discussion was purposefully written to get passionate responses.
One under god Biotechnology is the branch I studied I don’t see why this is helpful though

How do we know man-made Global Warming exists? Because a consensus of those most involved in the issue (climate scientists) believe it exists.

How do we know God exists? Because a consensus of those most involved in the issue believe it exists.

I would like to ask all these convinced and devout posters if they think their god is an interventionist one, and how do they reconcile "their god" with all the others that people believe exist and who adamantly have faith in.

Hey Pericles,

Thats a pretty heavy slapping for my playful tweak at a cats tail but what part of "We might not feel it but others do" didn't you understand? However I see how my opening remark "Of course God exists" might have confused you a little.

But all I was trying to do was do, through some admittedly weak satire, was show that yes God and romantic love may well be human constructs but they both can be experienced quite viscerally and contribute to the rich juices of life. And I'm all for letting life rip.

Your spats with Boaz and others would seem to indicate that religion for you might not have been the life affirming experience that some people have found it to be. Thats cool, it isn't for me either. But a lack of logic or the rational isn't confined just to the lovestruck or godstruck, and the label 'God botherer' can almost as easily be applied to those who bother others about their Gods.

So permit me to take my tongue out of my cheek and blow you a raspberry instead.

Oliver “At the instant of the Big Bang, a high energy state in-which 3-D space and time were bundled existed. Immediately, before the Big Bang a briging period of a minus to forty-third power of a second [Planck] is disunity hypothisised, to eminate from the singuluarity of phase-space [Penrose]:

It is a model strongly verifiable back to 300,000 years after the "Big Bang" and indicatively verifiable to Planck time. There are several models between singuality and Plank time: It is work in progess.”

But do you have an eye witness account or is that just someone’s theory, like AGW?

When you can produce evidence of that happening, I will listen, until then, I will cruise along with “faith in God” and no faith in theology (which is merely a corrupted form of mass hysteria encouraged by those with a vested interest in social manipulation and regulated control).

CoL. "social manipulation and regulated control". that's rich coming from the religious community and brainless hypocrites, plus self appointing, self invested, and greedy underhanded, "socially destructive morons"( look at what religion is doing around the world). You cant even understand the mountains of evidence that myself and others have brought to you.(everyone). OK that's my dummy spit for the afternoon. (Nothing personal COL.)

On the other hand there are serious risks in unraveling the biggest mystery of all mankind. The pros and cons have serious consequences and I'll give you the credit if you know that I'm talking about.
Mankind is still sucking it's religious dummy and to take this pacifier out to early will have disastrous consequences. But have no doubt in this next sentence.
Mankind will eventually evolve and grow out of this ridiculous stage of the times.
The full report is in my posts history. So pull all the relevant comments together then fill in the gaps.

It's not a bad, well, call it what ever you like.

All the best>

EVO