Hi Foxy,

All is forgiven. In a bit of a rush today. Will look forward to reading your last contribution soon.

You have a great day, friend.

O.

thecat

Empirical evidence? There is none. Faith based belief does not require scientific validation.

It is unfathomable that evolution is easily dismissed as unbelievable, yet belief in a completely unproven entity is easily accepted.

This despite the evidence and logical reasoning in the idea of an evolutionary process - of natural selection and adaptation. The difference between myth and science is that science is willing to adapt in the face of new evidence and reassess previously held beliefs and convictions.

If we take intelligent design as the work of some superior being - 'God' why not go further and ask:

Who designed God?
How did God come to be? Was God created in a vaccuum completely devoid of any other being, entity or physical matter?
Why are there so many 'Gods' all purporting to be the only one and the only saviour? (It's getting crowded up there)

This is not an attempt to ridicule the believers, it's just that I really don't get it. Religion certainly makes an interesting psychological and anthropological study.

To quote Dawkins (please don't faint Boazy :)):
"An atheist before Darwin could have said...: "I have no explanation for complex biological design. All I know is that God isn't a good explanation, so we must wait and hope that somebody comes up with a better one." I can't help feeling that such a position, though logically sound, would have left one feeling pretty unsatisfied, and that although atheism might have been logically tenable before Darwin, Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist."

I resent having to say "I am an "atheist". It means I have had to define myself to a category of someonelse's making due to the continued and historical perpetuation of one of the greatest myths of all time.

It would be like someone insisting that fairies live at the bottom of the garden and suddenly I then have to become labelled as a 'Nonfairiest' and have to continually prove that fairies don't exist with no obligation on the part of 'Fairians' to prove the little winged creatures exist.

Pelican, Hi!

The notion of Design as might apply to god is essential. As Dawkins points out a god must be a complex entity. Hoe does one explain said sate? Christans and presumably other religions too have difficulty in explaining the architecture of god or a conceptual model of that alleged entity.

Albeit, I think there is a model in one Indian religion to explain Earth's place, and, its gods are stack of elephants and tutles holding us here in space. At a certain point one asks, where does it all stop? "Well, with the tutles, evenually, its tutles all the way down," is the retort.

Infinite regress, its hard to avoid. Yet, today, we have progressed to infinite indetermancy in QM. Actually, the latter posits a preferred model to me. There is no need for causality in its casual meaning.

Dear-cat i-needed to-know your-area of-'science 'to-be-able-to respond to-you in-your-own-frame of referance ,so-you work-with plants, or genes-or-micro bacteria.

By-now you_should_be_well-aware that-wheat [micro-evolves into_wheat,
that_bateria micro-evolves_into-[who could have guessed it] ;bacteria]

Even plastic-eating_bacteria is-yet_ONLY_capable of micro-evolution from_bacteria-into-other_bacteria

[not macro_evolution into-a-neo[new]-species]

You_further would-be aware , we_share-50-percent of-our dna_with_a bannana ,

but its funny no-bannana_ancestor is-mentioned in-our-faux_science familly-tree,
you did ask for non-religious_texts,
yet fail to see the-science_peers [like-dorkins have-little idea what-they are talking-about]

i debated the-fraud for-5-pages once
about his flat-fish 'evolution THEORY ,
which_he_deleted after he lost.

As-a_bio_scientist_you-would be-aware about-the_concept-of-wild_type

[in pigions the-area i-studied it-is called the_blue_barred_rock_dove,

that MICRO evolved into-all the-types of-[breeds]-of pigeons

the same-with darwins_finches

[recall that though they were divergent in phenotype yet they ALL were yet finches geneticlly [that-finding led_darwin to_pigions+dog breeds-etc.

You may-or-may_not_know of mendelism_inheritors ,
these ensure that-when-your_fancy-wheat_is crossed to any other wheat its wild type genome resurfaces [depending on_its being resesive_or_dominant]

You must_know genonic_stasis is a_constant
,that MACRO_evolution is proven-fraud-simply-by mendelic_inheritance and_genetics [
ie both valid sciences [that disolve the THEORY of MACRO-evolution-into-neo-species]

I once-believed the false-gods of-science ,
but by seeing their-theory-And-via using it revealed to myself it-evolution- was a lie ,

Then i had to find the real cause
[so by the process of elimination came to know god ,

then by much further reading of those forbidden-by-you-[religion] text'sss found god ,
by realising that god is love
[that evil is from man ;freewill ].

any way i found god by testing the alternative theories

,please note or deney ,
no scientist has ever {EVER] made-even-a simple cell_membrane ,

nor EVER replicated [evolved]a single NEO new evolution{into a new species]
horseXdonkey ie a mule isnt a new species ,

Noting millions of generations of fruitfly breedings have NEVER produced anything but mutated fruit flies

Then note for 10,s of millions of years monkey breeds monkey till a mere 100,000 years ago
suddenly we have the-'evolution' into human
[compare-the-ammount-of mutations-between-ape+human]

[a much largers step than all the billions of generations of previous monkey types].