I made a typo in my last comment - where I said "compromised" I meant to say "comprised". Apologies.

Some Questions for the anti Theists :)

1/ If a fish dies in water, what happens to it's body? up....or down?
2/ If it goes 'up'.... what then happens to it?
3/ How can a 'fossil' occur to a fish, which goes *your answer* rather than *your answer*....

4/ Is it more likely that a cataclysmic event of sudden nature, caused animals to be trapped in 'soil/matter/lava/etc' ?

5/ Can any anti-Theist explain why a 14century Cathedral has drawings in it which depict dinasaurs? (prior to any knowledge of them?)

6/ Can any anti Theist explain why an inscription in a Cambodian temple has a clear picture of a Stegasaurus? (which died out supposedly millenia ago)
The hilarious thing about the AntiTheist 'mocking' of this, is that they
a)Mock the lack of detail in the inscription...
b)Then offer an alternative which WREAKS of the very same problem, but far more pronounced :)

7/ Can any Anti Theist tell us who is the foremost molecular biologist in Australia? and what he believes about Creation?

Have fun :)

"With QM [sic. In Cosmology] it migt be possible to draw some sort of model, as with n-manifolds and hypercube. 'Explanations', in other words."

QM has different mathematical schema to the mathematical entities mentioned. Sorry, George, if you are reading [how you had a good time with your daughter]. But s is still incumbent to unify.

My point was we can build models in science, and, mathematical models cam be a[[lied culural-anthropolists to make axioms concrete. Theists should present a model. Also, Please not my mini-research post on Faith, to be posted, once the time barrier is lifted.

Peace and a good life to all.

thecat: Prove God’s existence?

An all powerful, omniscient, omnipresent God does not need me or Gibo or BD or runner to prove his existence. We are mere servants. Anything we say looks like “smoke and mirrors” compared to the miracle of conversion.

God proves his own existence, so don’t be lazy and expect us to do your work for you: go ask him yourself. We couldn’t convince you even if we really, really tried hard (with probability formulas, “missing links” or any discretionary evidence such as “word of mouth”). That’s as it is. If I had the power to convince you of God’s existence, than I would dangerously hold the power to convince you of his non-existence. I would be God. God convicts us of his existence, not the other way around.

A Little Hint: asking God is what we servants call “praying”. God’s answers are found in what we call “the bible”. So, knowing where the truth is found, we can only (and do when given the opportunity), point to the source.

Another Little Hint: there are some preconditions. Firstly, a genuine heart for knowledge, followed closely with humility. You cannot approach the throne except on bended knee. A "road to Damascus" kind of convincing comes with a very high price. As I said above, work at it a little.

However, perhaps you could rise to my counterchallenge and prove your own existence. Eyewitness accounts, DNA samples, photographic samples, touching you with my own hand… these won’t do it for me either as I don’t want to merely perceive your existence through my senses or be convinced through argument or debate.

If you do ever find a way to prove your own existence, other than say proving it more probable that you exist than a two-headed dinosaur, I look forward to hearing how you would prove your existence if YOU were God.

Gibo: The shared “born again” experience, beyond cool (and beyond belief, unfortunately). But I know, I know.

Love,

themouse

Good Evening Dear Cat,

Can I prove the existence of God - scientifically?

I'll give it a shot:

* Causation. God provides the best explanation for the existence of the universe and all that's in it. (The alternative theory is that "nothing" exploded and resulted in everything that we see.)

* Order. God provides the best explanation for abstract notions such as numbers, mathematical formulae, chemical-based processes, and natural laws. (The alternative theory is that the chaotic first elements ordered themselves into complex information systems.)

* Design. God provides the best explanation for the absolute complexity inherent in cosmological stellar, planetary, chemical and biological systems. (The alternative theory is that random chance engineered apparent design).

* Encoded Instructions. God provides the best explanation for the digital DNA code contained in and controlling the functions of all life on earth. (The alternative theory is that complex code such as binary code running computers, can pop into existence without any kind of programming, testing and debugging process.)

* Irreducible Complexity. God provides the best explanation for fully functioning biological organisms, systems, and subsytems that couldn't come about through gradual evolutionary process without totally ceasing to exist at lower, evolutionary levels. (The alternative theory is that biological systems took huge, unseen leaps from simple to complex without any guided process or forward-looking instructions.)

* Duality. God provides the best explanation for the separate human functions of brain and conscience (matter and mind). (The alternative theory is monism - only matter exists and the human brain only appears to have a separate subconscious ability.)

* Morality. God provides the best explanation for the existence of love, emotion, altruism, and inherent moral/ethical values throughout the world. (The alternative theory is that unguided materialistic processes evolve higher human consciousness.)

CONT'D

"Does God Exist?" Is this really a question for science at all?

Actually, ti seems this is a matter of forensic science, since we can't re-create the birth of the universe or the formation of first life in a laboratory. Therefore, we collect the observable evidence in our world and apply our forensic investigation skills to analyse its collective meaning. In the end, we all need to collect and examine the evidence for ourselves.

Ultimately, whether couched as scientific inquiry or purely religious/moral/philosophical faith, it's not a matter for the laboratory.

It's a personal, investigative decision for each and every one of us.