As China goes through her troubles with another big quake I was wondering why the increase?
Is it because of the underground mining?
Is it the pumping out of much of the water and the oil destabilising the plates in certain places.
I remember seeing a photo some years ago from the early 1920's of a valley in the US where they had pumped out much of the water for irrigation and another photo taken 60 or so years later and the drop in the land was about the height of a telephone pole.
Is warming part of the problem.
It seemed strange that since the early 1900's there has been such a vast increase in quakes?
Why the increase in volcanic activity in recent times?
Dont you find a shifting earth strange? I do.
Is Sydney or Brisbane or anywhere in Australia ready for any quakes they might receive?

Hi Gibo

The current earthquakes are devastating. They are nothing however compared with the great tribulation that will come upon the earth. The devil is causing destruction as foretold by Jesus. Sadly the number of murdered unborn outnumber greatly those being killed by what many call 'mother earth'. Thankfully God has offered a better place for those who are humble enough to receive Christ as Lord, Healer and Deliverer. At best we are here for a few decades. This is nothing compared to eternity. Science will have different theories on what is happening while Jesus foretold accurately.

Gibo, can you provide any data that has indicated that earthquakes have become more frequent and/or more intense?

Ok, so here’s the response that you’d expect from old population-nutcase Ludwig……

It’s not the size or number of quakes, but the size of the global population, the number of people that are affected and hence the magnitude of the misery, that has increased.

Or at least, this is as big a factor as any increase in earthquake activity.

Earthquakes are only partly natural disasters.

"It seemed strange that since the early 1900's there has been such a vast increase in quakes?"

OOOOOOooooooow

and just as I am making references to Krakatua and its contribution to climate changes in 1883 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa) on another thread.

and we have Gibo pondering the influences of "GW" on Earthquake activity.

Maybe it is an Act of God (like the Insurance companies prefer to claim and avoid liability)

but maybe that Godly act is in retribution for the lustful ways of contemporary society?

Maybe if we sacrificed a virgin it would atone and Sodom and Gomorrah would be saved (these days, substitute LA And SF - they are both on the San Andreas fault line and overdue for damnation, apart from the names the salacious practices are pretty much the same too).

Near Iceland there is a series of islands which keep growing and have done so for the past 40 years or so.

But somehow, I figure no amount of oil or water exploration or GW has got much chance on influencing the genteel shift in techtonic plates.

Exactly Runner.
Many more earthquakes are yet to come.
Ive seen graphs and charts over the last 25 years, mainly in christian articles, and they do show the increase spoken about in Luke chapter 21 and Matthew chapter 24.
Ive yet to figure out why it is so, why there is this increase.
I know we've been doing a lot of mining and much water and oil extraction but the real reason; and there has to be one, elludes me.
Perhaps my thoughts might run along a spiritual line, a christians' awareness of spiritual laws regarding sin, that suggests that the more sin increases, the more what was once a Perfect Creation reacts to it.
This will, of course, not be a satisfactory suggestion for the "early apeman/Charlie Darwin" people but it could fit the Bibles description of spirtual laws and the breaching of those laws...i.e. sowing and reaping.
What we plant one way or the other regarding each other and our caring for Creation, pops up.
You mentioned abortion, millions of children sacrificed.
Then theres the idolatry, sexual immorality, the mocking of Gods Word, the great falling away from Christianity, the alcohol, the drugs, the greed, the violence man to man... and so sin mounts upon sin.
All of these sins have increased as populations have grown since the early 1900's...and on a parralel line so have the earth movements.
Ludwig.
I clicked on increase in earthquakes 1900 to 2008. Theres material on those sites. heavenawaits had an interesting chart. Theres stuff on the increase all over the place.

While I agree that the shifting tectonic plates are responsible, I think that, as more and more oil is pumped to the surface, the natural lubricant beneath the plates is being diminished. This must lead to more friction and, in turn, more heat, therefore more volcanic activity.

It's certainly not a supernatural issue as proposed by runner.

Hundreds of comedy writers, in recent years have failed in their quest, to get me to laugh out loud at something they wrote. They have all failed.

You lot, on the other hand, have succeeded beyond your wildest dreams.

Oh dear, you were joking weren't you?

That may be not so far from the truth Austin.
The oil has been there a long time.
How do you reckon it got there?
Us christians say it is compressed matter from the Flood.

Well Gibo and Runner continue in their inimitable rant.

We are doomed and all that.....

But for sheer hilarity, the fascinatingly named "Austin Powerless" claims that:

"oil is the natural lubricant" for tectonic plates to move around on.........

ROFL

No, AP suggest you check out the following link, I would suggest that Gibo and Runner do the same but already know that they prefer to believe that God is in smiting mode:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics

Just a little hint, the tectonic plates were formed long before plants (from which oil is formed) evolved as the molten earth began to cool.

BTW Possible alternative Title to this discussion thread is:

OLO General Discussion...getting worse but why?

Wow, Fractelle, thank you for using your super intellect to put me right. If only I had checked Wikipedia before daring to present my theory.
I guess I should have known someone as sharp as you would have already done so.
What has ROLF (Harris, I presume) got to do with it? Is continental drift upsetting his wobble-board?
It's enough to make two little boys tie a kangaroo down just for sport.
Here's a little hint, oil was formed by decomposed zooplankton and algae under intense heat and pressure. Plants (trees, in fact), on the other hand tend to form coal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum#Biogenic_theory

Good old Wikipedia, where would we be without it. ROLF.

Fractelle. The Bible says there will be an increase in quakes in the last days but nothing is said about why the increase.
I really wondered what might be the cause.
Pumping out the oil could do what Austin says.
How does anyone know about tectonic plates or plants or what happened on the First Day unless they were there? So much is just theory.
Give that good old Bible any day.
Its so easily interpreted if you personally know Jesus and have His Spirit.

I blame Nigel Tufnell from the band Spinal Tap, the inventor of the machine that first measured stuff up to eleven!

AP

My humble apologies, I didn't realise that your first post was an attempt at humour.

Maybe Gibo & Runner are just having a major leg-pull of us all as well. I can only hope.

FYI

Roll On Floor Laughing - ROFL

;-)

Actually it is caused by Global Warming.The glaciers in the Himilayas are melting and causing the fault lines to slip.On the other hand I just thought of another cause.The melting glaciers are causing a shift in pressure thus we are getting an uplift in fault lines.Now why didn't the Greens think of that?Or better still.The entire planet is heating thus expanding,causing unstable fault lines.Or there are too many people in China and the massive shift of weight has caused this instability.

I just thank god (ironically) that this is an Australian forum. If it were the US, it'd be crawling with Gibos and runners.

Earthquakes (and volcanoes) are a natural geological event. If you prefer to believe in a supernatural explanation for them, then fine. Just remember that the Bible also says that the world is flat.

Hah Gibo :) I can pick you a mile off :)

again..didn't need to see the author to know.."its you" :)

Of one thing we can all be assured...when the Lord returns, we will know it.

"As the lightning lights up the sky from the East to the West"

You might find these links of interest... one of a megalomaniac claiming to BE the 2nd coming...and the other a bloke claiming to be one of the '2 witnesses' of Revelation.. and then claiming his WIFE is the other.

He made claims about receiving special revelation about the content of the 6th seal in Rev, and that America will be soon nuked. (I think his predicted date has passed now)

He is clearly a nutter.. (as is the "I am the 2nd coming" bloke)

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/apollo_c_quiboloy-false_prophet.htm

http://the-end.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgTGKPqN0Ls&feature=related

In all cases, we just be vigilant.. and avoid any and all claiming "I am he" :)

blessings.

Theres lots of interesting theories here.
I wonder if the planet hasnt got as used by date?
Im sure glad God is on The Throne.
He knows when His world will have had enough.
Im worried about the US Boaz_David.
Theres prophecies on the net I dont like.
I even peppered their embassies worldwide a few months back with a vision and prophecy I got a few years ago from a christian lady I knew here in Sydney, whose previous revelations all came to pass.
It showed a sneak Chinese attack upon a future US grain harvest at a time when peace agreements were being signed in Washington (the suggestion being that at the time of the agreements there had already been a conflict with China, probably over Taiwan or some other asian invasion the Chinese did). Some of the visions and prophecies are so real looking...I sure hope the mighty USA is alert. I see Russian communism back on the horizon and a get together behind closed doors between China and Russia.
About the false Christs.
Every gym these days seems to have its own guru.
There seems to be millions of antichrists in the business world as well with all of the answers to your financial troubles. Used car salesmen, everyone of them. Financial institutions all over the place collapsing and people losing their life savings because they follow their own greed and another stupid antichrist who reckons he has the answers. I hope none of the folk here are that dumb?

Gibo: << Every gym these days seems to have its own guru >>

I wonder who the guru is at Boazy's gym?

Actually, Boazy's post raises an interesting point - in the extremely remote possibility of Jesus returning, who on Earth would believe him?

Certainly not us agnostics and atheists, people who subscribe to other religions, nor apparently Christian fundies.

Settle down.
“Research shows that earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant throughout the century and have actually decreased in recent years. However, since there are a greater number of seismological centers and instruments capable of locating many small earthquakes that went undetected in earlier years, it may seem as if there are more.”

http://www.consrv.ca.gov/index/Earthquakes/Pages/qh_earthquakes_myths.aspx

The Vikings believed that earthquakes were the result of Loki’s painful underground struggle in the realm of Svartalfheim.

Makes as much sense as some of the stuff above.

Any explaination whether is supernatural or not, is fine. But don't forget, especially for those who care about Tibetan just a month ago, that quake epicenter area is minority autonomous region where 52.3% are ethnic Tibetan, 17.7% are Qiang, 3.2% Hui (lots of them are Muslim).

At the same time, China is taking all-out efforts to help those affected by the earthquake. Tens of thousands of forces moved one hundred Km by foot to access remote mountain area at night. Ten thousand elite parashute forces from east China were advancing towards the disaster-hit regions within hours after quake because even helicopter couldn't access the area due to severe wind, rain and roadblock. And volunteer blood donators (most ethnic Han) queued hundreds of metres at the first night in Chengdu metropolitan area 120 Km away from epicenter.

A man can be ignorant, but should not be hypocritical!

Centra. I dont think any one of us is mocking the disaster or the remarkable manpower effort to save those trapped under rubble.
Its a major calamity and my heart goes out to the people and to the familes of the lost.
If what you say about the effort is as you say...its quite astounding to see such precision organisation swing into action.
I think many us suffer from a little hardening of the heart towards the Chinese government that needs a watchful eye lest it carry over to a lack of heart towards the ordinary people of China.
I dont believe the ordinary people are really like the dark government at all.

These quakes were inevitable after that huge one in the indian ocean a while back, with the tsunami. That side of the plate moved and rest is just following suit. There probably ill be a huge one in NZ inside the next two years. Move outta Wellington if you live there.

Dear CJ... 'open thine eyes' :)

regarding the return of Christ...why not do some reading ?(Bible of course)

Firstly, one reason I'm always woffling about "Pastor" (I AM the 2nd coming of Christ)Apollo Quiboloy is this:

Matth 24:4 Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many...."

See this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPOsTQb9m1s&feature=related 2008 US elections.... see verse 4 above.

His Return.....

Matth 24.

26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

So, you won't miss it, but lets hope and pray that it does not miss 'you'.

Compare Ezekiel 37 with events of 1948. Of course Ez_37 had contemporary meaning. (The Jews were in Exile in Babylon at the time)but there are good reasons (when Daniel is taken into account) that they may have a 2nd prophetic meaning also. I won't bore you with the longggg discussion.

Matt 24:36

<<"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.">>

So, you and Perilous, Ginxy, Romany, Vanilla, even Kaysar :) might be saying the same things...and... suddenly.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmLhyPjHVes

How did an earthquake discussion end up with comments on the so-called second coming?

If that's where it's getting to, I'm going back to my oil-pumping theories. They're just as believable :-)

Thanks for including me, Boaz, but you have no need to worry on my behalf.

>>So, you and Perilous, Ginxy, Romany, Vanilla, even Kaysar :) might be saying the same things...and... suddenly...<<

What was difficult to come to grips with in the YouTube clip was the behaviour of those who were left.

Instead of turning to each other and saying "thank goodness we finally got rid of all those godbotherers, let's go to the pub", they ran around in circles, as if something bad had happened.

Can't fathom why.

please note from the wikipedia link ''The plates are around 100 km (60 miles) thick ''

now go look at the plate subduction sone ,apply a bit of perspective do we see 120 kilometre high mountains? please see the drawings are childrens pictures not science [and to those who say weathering your dreaming]
noting further the magnetic abnormalities found on the ''plates'' isnt because the plates move [but because the pole shifts] every 110,000 years or so ,the next pole-shift is said to occur 2012[dec25] so yeah we dont know the time nor day, but have reasoned it out anyway

noting the plate theory is wrong [we live on an expanding earth, see youtube-vidio expanding earth] also note that most petrolium comes from algai, that algai on one acre of land produces 100 times the bio gas corn does ,spend our future fund today on making sure the pole shift is survivable ,dont be caught out like chana has been [recall one third die and we didnt notice?

god made ALL LIFE how much life has died ya think?,via mass extinctions of animals ?

Or-get govt to start farming algai with its future fund [or issue us all with joe-feul-cells before 2012 just in-case

[money in investment fund is useless ,use it to prepare just-in-case the worst happens] science has decieved us all
search
medicines dirty little secret [by dr mercola

big buisness dont care [we have to make [wake] govt up to care or at least prepare] before the earth decides to move for us all

Pericles: << Instead of turning to each other and saying "thank goodness we finally got rid of all those godbotherers, let's go to the pub", they ran around in circles, as if something bad had happened. >>

Absolutely - bring on the Rapture, I say! Once we've got rid of the Christian godbotherers, we could perhaps persuade all the Muslim and whatever other religious fundies to follow suit.

It'd undoubtedly be good for the environment too.

CJ. When Christ takes His followers out in the Rapture its the end for the rest.
What the global antichrist doesnt get, the huge disasters will, or the great asian army.
Thats why we preach turn to Jesus now... whilst you can still have the chance to know Him.

Well, the real cause is that there are too many flat earth deniers.

"Just remember that the Bible also says that the world is flat."
Posted by wobbles, Thursday, 15 May 2008

Exactly.
Billions of minds believing that the world is round, our thoughts radiating creative, powerful energy into the atmosphere is bound to have an effect on material objects.
Since everything is energy, even our thoughts, every thought affects everything else including the earth.

We are destroying the earth with our minds.

The earth is flat, the earth is flat- if we think that often enough, and force ourselves to believe it, all 6 billion of us, there would be no reason for the earth to try to be round and shake so much in the painful process.

Nature takes it's course.
Gibo I think that when oil would have been left in the ground it would have caused natural massive explosions as in volcano eruptions all over the world.The greatest mining technique is to backfill the emptiness underground, but who does, as it is very expensive. A lot of deep holes will be filled with our future water (which will be wasted) with their natural flow from aquifers and therefore reducing the pressure of the ground.(as in the 'in ground swimming pool', fill it as fast as you can without causing cracks in the wall)
Maybe that's why Bush doesn't want to pull out the oil from the biggest oilfield in the world which happens to in Alaska.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk

Eftfnc.
Thats an interesting theory about the oil possibly exploding in volcanic like eruptions if left where it is.
My knowledge of fire is that it needs the right air/fuel mix to get the explosion going...and everything seems pretty stable over the last few thousand years as the oil remained untouched by exploration and pumping.
Sorry I cant look at that Utube site until the end of the month. Finally we are going over the Broadband.
The "Dial up" is driving me mad with its ongoing slowness. I will look at it then.
As christians we believe that the oil and the coal is there as a result of the compacted material from the great Flood of Genesis chapter 6.
Its pretty gross when you think about it. Its all coming from the plant life and the dead bodies of men and animals.
Must have been a pretty evil world for God to Get rid of.